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One Cylinder Missing Intermittent - 140 HP Evinrude

rwkeenan

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Long time reader, first time poster here! Was out on the water yesterday (God bless Texas in January) and had a little nerve racking moment when I was cruising along and suddenly lost power to a complete stop and shut down. Initially thought power loss via battery bc it took it a few minutes to allow me to crank back up. Let sit for a few and cranked back up but noticed I was running on 3 cylinders. Heard the sound of compressed air leaving the piston not firing which was a relief (sound of compression is reassuring). Started pulling plugs on port side and 95% sure I identified it being the top port side. In pulling plugs, I saw that the coil was sending spark so knew it wasn't missing bc of lack of spark. Pulled spark plug while out there on water and didn't see any issues with plug (once again, thank god).

Was getting dark so figured i'd just limp back to ramp on 3 cylinders. Hearing that compression was interesting, never heard before, but was consistent via rpm so knew it was just one cylinder. I tried giving it a little gas and... to my surprise... she slowly started picking up momentum until all of a sudden, jumped up on a plane! slowed back down in no wake zone close to ramp and heard it start missing again then clear up another minute or two later.

Thoughts - since I was hearing that noise, I was thinking it was a potential reed valve sticking and not letting air through during that cycle. Read on forums that reed valves rarely go bad but just thought sticking was possible since it was intermittent. Another later thought was a low carb jet gunked up but my hesitation with that theory would be - why did it come off a plane if it was just a low speed jet issue.

I'll notate that after putting in a new battery 2 trips back, my volts have been a little high, around 15.5, replaced rectifier which had no fix. Read though that is not totally out of the ordinary for some of these older engines. Also looked under flywheel and didn't see anything out of the ordinary with stator/trigger.

Taking it out again tomorrow to diagnose as well as go work on another boat but figured I'd see if anyone has run into this issue. Rebuilt engine last spring so have for the most part, pretty knowledgeable, just havent run into this one before...

Weston
 
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I do not think compression is the problem since it runs great but can get those numbers after I rent a compression check


I will also say, just took plugs out to compare. When I took plug out on water with intermittent issue occurring, plug appeared to be pretty dry. Plug right now is wet (gas/oil) and appears to be same as other plugs. Leads me to believe there was fuel dilivery issues to that one top port side cylinder.
 
Whelp...

top left - 120
bottom left - 115
top right - 90 :(
bottom right - 105 :(

unfortunately i’m really not sure if these were original after I rebuilt the engine last year. I was worried though as I saw the plug on the top right a little fouled out when I pulled it. I replaced these plugs maybe a month ago and didn’t notice anything but could have overlooked.

im in quite a pickle. NOT the results I was looking for obviously.
 
The top right cylinder was the one that had a piston delaminates and score the wall last time. I honestly just cleaned it up myself and thought it was all good.
 
Took off the head and found the piston delaminating again!!!! Embarrassed for this being my first postings on here but very frustrating.

before making a decision on actions to take, wondering what’s would cause that on the same piston. Timing is in back of my mind but set max timing to 22-24 degrees. Very frustrating.
 
Yeah yeah. Well my main question remains, why did this happen to the same piston twice... why would I even gamble with another rebuild if I don’t figure out the answer to that problem. (Internal questions, would love an answer on the first part of question though)
 
You rebuilt this engine last spring.-----Describe in some detail what you mean by " rebuild " on this 1979 motor.----Do you use a tachometer on this motor?-----What oil and mix ratio ?-----What boat ?---What propeller ?----Cooling system maintained ?
 
Took a picture but trying to figure out how to add hah. Based on a few things I’ve read, pre-ignition sounds like a pretty probably cause. One indication is continuing to run briefly after turning key off. This happened a while back but quit more recently.

I use a tach, max rpm was just over 5500 but read on a forum that’s not a deal breaker for these older crossflows. I usually keep it under 5k cruising. 50:1 ratio or under. 4 blade Ss prop. Replaced cooling system before I had to rebuild. Bought right at a year ago for cheap. Compression seemed fine but after first takeout, realized top right piston had delaminated. Completely broke down, took to machine shop to measure cylinder walls. He said they were all .2 over. Cleaned up with honer (I know, took a chance vs machining out but there’s really not any outboard machine shops in Austin). Tested with .05 slide stick tester thing (per machine shops advice) against cylinder wall. Put it all back together with 4 new pistons and rings. 2 new power packs which I thought were starting to fail anyway. New plugs of course, new plug wires. Set timing shortly after rebuild.

started and ran like a champ before during and after breakin (used 25:1 ratio for first 20 hours. Honestly I should have immediately tested psi but just by feel, compression felt great and ran great.

Think i’m inclined time look around for replacement engine and part this one out unfortunately... will try to figure out how to send pic.
 
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