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lin842

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This is probably a wasted effort but I'll ask anyway. I'll try to make a long story short I reluctantly took a repair job where a couple different people had worked on this boat but for some reason they never completed the job. Some how the owner found out about me and asked if I would finish putting the engine back together.

From what I heard there was low compression on two cylinders and the heads were pulled and sent to the machine shop and the head gaskets replaced. When I got it the engine was all buttoned up except for the manifolds needed to be installed along with all the wiring and the Plenum needed to be put back on. It took me awhile to figure out where and how the wiring was routed but I finally got it together. A couple of the brackets were in the wrong place and some of the nuts and bolts were missing and one of the manifold pipe plugs was broken. I got all that straightened out and everything was in place all I had to do was start it up and set the timing. I hooked up my scan tool and put it in service mode and started the engine. I didn't want to start but it finally started but just barely ran enough to almost get the base timing set. After several tries I let it alone for the day.

On the next try it wouldn't start at all and it seemed to be out of gas. I checked the W/S fuel filter and it hardly had any gas in it so I filled it and loosened the line at the vapor separator and cranked the engine and finally got fuel there and it seemed to have good pressure so I figured everything was good. When I got it running it was still barely running but did run long enough to set base timing and it seemed to be starting to straighten out so I gave it a little gas and there was a gurgling noise then a loud ticking or knocking noise so I shut it down. I called the owner to give him an update and he tole me the motor always made a lot of noise on the port side and someone had told him it was the flapper in the exhaust doing it. The noise to me didn't sound like it was a flapper but rather something in the valve train but he was insistent that the flapper made a lot of noise. I started the engine again and for a moment it was still was making this unusual noise then it quit and the engine cleared up a little and idled fairly good. I gave it some gas to see if it would clear up and when I did one of the guys in back of the boat said WTF is all this stuff coming out of the port exhaust shut it off. We got out of the boat to have a look see and there were bunches of little small pieces of cloth like material everywhere. After looking at it close we decided that it looked like it had come from one of those red shop towels some shops use. That dang thing had somehow ate the whole thing. I have no clue where or how it got inside the engine as I don't even use these type towels.

I know it wasn't inside the plenum because I cleaned out the inside good before I put it on. I also looked inside the intake before putting it on and didn't see anything there either. I didn't however dig around to much in the manifolds before I put them on and was wondering if it could have sucked a rag into the top of the motor if a rag had somehow got stuffed into one of the passages in the manifold where I didn't see it.

I guess it's possible that someone could have stuffed a rag deep enough into the intake where it wouldn't be seen by just a general look when installing the plenum. My next question is what's the chances of the valve train surviving after eating something like this. I haven't started it back up because I'm waiting on new plenum gaskets so I can put that back on to re-fire the engine. I didn't sound all that bad when I shut it off the last time.
 
That's nuts! Not exactly the craziest engine thing I ever heard but up there in the top twenty for sure. Do you suppose that the rag was stuffed into one of the cylinders the way sometimes you use a bit of rope down the spark plug hole to keep a valve in place while you do the stem seals? I mean come on people!
If it were me, I'd tell the owner that he should have the heads off for thorough inspection of the bores. With this level of WTF factor there's no telling what you might uncover....not that you really wanna find out ha ha ha!
With the heads off it's easy to do a leak test on the valves to see if Mr Raggs did anything to them.
 
Anything is possible I guess. The first guy that worked on it did the heads and another guy installed the intake. The guy took it to yet another shop for them to finish it up but it sat there a couple days and finally they called him and told him to come get it because they didn't have time to mess with it. Then I got involved somehow and I still don't know why I took it because I, nor anybody else I know of likes to work on something that someone else started and didn't complete especially a job like this.

I don't use those shop rags in my shop but there were 4 of them laying on top of the manifold covering the intake openings and I still have them. I do remember thinking to myself that's not a good Idea but I left them there rather than to tape them up with masking tape like I normally do. I also remember that when I installed the plenum I took the 4 rags off and laid them on a ledge behind the motor and they are still there. I know there was nothing inside the plenum because I washed that out good before I put it on. I did look inside the manifold openings but didn't dig around much to see if anything had wound up inside, probably a mistake on my part that could come back and bite me in the end. When I pulled the plenum back off there was pieces of ground up rag everywhere on the inside. I'm going to pull the plugs out today and see what comes out and probably pull the manifold on that side also to see what I find.

This is a bad situation all the way around, for me the customer especially who has already lost half the summer with no boat and having paid at least 2 other people for work that was never completed How I will fit into all of this when the time comes to settle up on my end will be interesting as well. I've got a lot of time in this already and a few parts also that I hate the thought of losing but I do feel for the poor guys that own this boat.
 
if you can tell its rag parts in the exhaust, I don't think they went thru the combustion chamber while the engine was running...
 
if you can tell its rag parts in the exhaust, I don't think they went thru the combustion chamber while the engine was running...
Ok you got me thinking......What exactly do you mean by that? I found the same size pieces also in the Plenum, just not as many. I still haven't pulled the plugs to check what I find there because I'm still waiting on those gaskets. Anybody else having problems getting parts these days. Stuff I normally get in 1 to 2 days is taking a week or more. They are all blaming it on the virus crap.
 
What I mean is that if it looks like a red rag (shop towel) and it isn't charred anywhere, it wasn't in the combustion chamber when the engine was running. I'd think an animal was the main reason for the 'pieces' vs the whole thing.

As far as parts or anything else, yes, it is all taking longer to get. I had to wait almost a month to get some decking and two months to get a hand full of window shutters...went to get some PT 4x4's today and they had none - of any length....and he had no clue when they were going to arrive...I quit after the same story was repeated at another lumber yard...welcome to the 'new normal'...
 
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