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95 Johnson Recirculation Valve Removal??

jstpie5

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I have a 95 Johnson 225 Venom J225STLEOB. How do you remove the check valves in the intake manifold (item #12 on the Cylinder & Crankcase diagram PN# 0436385)? The ones behind the reed block.

The manual says to use a small wire to push them out. I have tried pushing them out using electric fence wire from the back of the engine (well actually pulling with a "J" in the wire toward the intake manifold), but I cant get any of the valves to come out. Even broke the tip off my pocket knife trying to pry them out (I knew that what a bad idea, but I was desperate).

Also, does anyone have any experience using an inline check valve to replace the brass recirculation valves (4 out of the 6 were bad the other 2 were questionable)? The recirculation valves are ~$30 a pop. Surely an inline check would do the same thing right??

like this guy: link

A little more info on my adventures incase you have been down this road before.

I am suspecting a lean condition at idle.

I recently bought a '95 225 Johnson Venom and I am in the process of getting to the bottom of a rough idle and off idle bog; runs great at WOT but I have to push the primer to get past the dead spot. Carbs were spitting and it was pretty tough to start and i had to keep a good bit of throttle on the engine to keep it running.

The engine had one 4" piece of the old gray fuel line that been eaten up by ethanol gas. I replaced that piece, went through the other lines, and I was sure that the low speed jet were clogged. The carbs were pretty clean but there were little pieces of the broken down fuel line in the float valves so I didn't order any kits, cleaned everything (well i missed the calibration ports on the intake manifold getting those later) and put them back together.

Also I have checked the compression (~92psi on each a little low i think but they are all close), since then I have replaced the bulb with an BRP bulb, checked the VRO diaphragm (good), cleaned the carbs (kits are on the way), replaced spark plugs (factory spec'd plugs), checked the timing (good), removed wing nuts from the battery, checked the stator output after I found some goo under the stator (good), checked for damaged reeds (good), made the #2 cylinder high speed jet two sizes bigger for cooling, performed link and sync (found a missing screw on the port butterflies also not my smoking gun), checked the temperature (both sides getting sufficiently hot),and checked the interrupt switch (actually not working at all when i put it in gear).

The motor shows no response to idle screw adjustment when in the water or on the hose after I cleaned the carbs and replaced the gray fuel line. Still runs good at WOT so at least i didn't screw that up.

I am still planning to check the fuel pressure at idle and put a clear line in the output of the VRO to check for bubbles just to be sure. Bulb will get hard and soften a little after the engine is running.

-James
 
1) The recirc valves need only be cleaned with cleaner and syringe and they wont cause a lean condition if stopped up..
2) You cannot adjust idle mixture on hose...has to be in water and in gear....
3) The shift interrupter only works when shifting into neutral....again in the water
4) Leaking gaskets on side of carb and calibration pockets on throttle bodies usually cause bogg as along with improper jetting as was a TSB on dropping intermediate jet size 2 sizes
 
Fatzbullet thanks for the quick reply.

Have you ever pulled the check valves behind the reed block (in the crankcase not the brass fitting that stick out of the block) out? If so how?

1) The recirculation valves that were bad were allowing the alcohol from the syringe (not stopped up) to be pushed through the wrong way. That's why I was thinking they are letting extra air into the crankcase leaning out the mixture. Letting them soak in acohol now.

2) Thanks for confirming. I tried to adjust on the hose and then in the water when it wasn't changing on the hose. Still no change.

3) I checked the interrupt switch with my multimeter on the continuity setting and the switch never picked showed continuity while shifting. The only way I could get it to show continuity was to push the switch in manually.

4) calibration pocket and carb side gaskets will be replaced so hopefully that helps.

How would I go about finding this TSB for dropping the intermediate jets? I suppose I could jut do the ole toothpick in the jet test after I put her back together again.

This might be a dumb question but the intermediate jets do meter air in this carb right? If so that does sound like it could be my problem.

Right now when I push the primer solenoid I can get from idle to WOT. That's why I was searching for extra air.
 
Dang. I wish there was an update on this thread!! I'm having the same exact issue. Wondering if the check valves helped correct the rough idle
 
Compression 105 on all 6. Fresh carb rebuilds, link & sync, all new fuel lines & pump, vro delete, running 50:1, runs great 21.5' boat 55mph smooth as can be. But just like jstpie5 it wont idle or get onto plane without constantly priming it.
 
Compression 105 on all 6. Fresh carb rebuilds, link & sync, all new fuel lines & pump, vro delete, running 50:1, runs great 21.5' boat 55mph smooth as can be. But just like jstpie5 it wont idle or get onto plane without constantly priming it.


If your using the OEM manuals idle screw mixture setting of 5 turns out, I have discovered with my 200 OceanPro that 8 to 8.5 turns out is what it needed to idle. The pumps at my Marina have 10% ethanol which is higher oxygenated fuel so because there is more air involved I needed to richen my setting in order to idle and attempt to adjust to 750RPM while in water not bunny ears and in forward gear. The RPM is higher in idle, gear in neutral. The manual I'm sure wants you to adjust idle rpm while in forward gear with the vessel unrestrained so not tied to the dock. I treat my fuel with Stratton at every fill my tank is 92 gallons my typical fill is 40-50 gallons. This system works for me yours may need different adjustment being it's not the same exact engine.
 
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