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2004 Honda BF9.9D1 LHSA

rjw4259

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My Honda 9.9BF9.9D1 has always started hard, once started and heated up it will start immediately. When I leave it overnight it will not start without cranking it a bunch, often it will flood the carb and you can see fuel leaking out of the carburetor drain hose. Could this be a faulty 16130-ZW9-801 BYSTARTER ASSY., AUTO? I'm told these often fail, case in point when I picked this engine up at the dealer it took him forever to get it to start the same as I have experienced ever since I owned this engine, if you think it might be bad how do you test it or how can you tell if its bad? Thanks guys!:(:(:(
 
I’m new to these little Honda outboards so I can’t comment on that particular part. A few questions so when the experts read your post. Did you buy the engine new? Do you let fuel sit in the carburetor when not in use for longer than a couple of weeks? Any thing else you might want to add pertaining to the history of the engine? According to my service manual resistance between the two leads should be between 15.8-24.2 ohms. Can be done with carburetor installed on the engine.
 
Well, first off, is this a tiller or remote control model? Not sure but a D1 is supposed to be a 2001. No matter, they're all the same anyway.

I will say that, in my experience, the SE auto thermo valves rarely fail. But I have had to replace a couple of them over the years.

The SE valve is defaulted to "enrich" when the engine is cold. So, even if the heater coil were bad, the engine should still start normally and then, after about 1 1/2 minutes of warm up, it would begin running too rich. The longer it runs in the enrich mode the worse it will perform and, ultimately, it would likely stall as a result. Not the symptoms you describe.

But another way that the valve might fail is to get stuck in the extended or lean position. This can happen if there is no problem at all with the heating element and would cause hard starting when cold but normal operation and easy starting after the engine warms. Closer to what you describe.

The resistance values William01 gave you are correct if you want to check the coil's resistance. But you can also remove the valve and test it by applying 12vdc and watching it's movement. You can do that without removing the carb. Based on the symptoms it's probably something you should check.

But something that you wrote has me scratching my head. You said that it floods and you see gas coming out of the carb drain hose. The carb shouldn't flood with the SE valve stuck in the lean position.
Also, the only way gas could come out of the carb drain would be if the drain screw is loose.

I could see gas running down the outside of the drain hose if the carb were flooding but not out of it. As a result I would have you check the drain screw and ensure that it is snug and that the drain isn't leaking.

With the carb flooding it may have a different problem than the SE valve.

QUESTION:Are you opening the throttle several times when you are trying to start it?

If so, that could be shooting gas into the intake because you are activating the accelerator pump. That might be flooding the engine and making it harder to start because it's quite a load of unatomized fuel per stroke and a cold engine can't handle it. That still doesn't explain gas coming out of the carb and down the drain hose.

QUESTION: Is the little black bellows on the side of the carb in good shape. No holes or tears?

Anyway, let me know if you want to remove the valve and test it. I will look up the correct wire to apply the positive to since I can't remember at the moment.
 
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I’m new to these little Honda outboards so I can’t comment on that particular part. A few questions so when the experts read your post. Did you buy the engine new? Do you let fuel sit in the carburetor when not in use for longer than a couple of weeks? Any thing else you might want to add pertaining to the history of the engine? According to my service manual resistance between the two leads should be between 15.8-24.2 ohms. Can be done with carburetor installed on the engine.
Yeah it was bought new, Since owning it it has always been cold starting, and yes I do crank the throttle a coup[le times, I have been told since I posted this that that is not required in an carbureted engine with this auto choke so I won't do it anymore. I will check the drain screw since you are right that shouldn't have fuel coming out of it though the fuel may be coming from somewhere else, there was also fuel stains on the water under the engine. So there are a couple things for me to check. Also another techie told me to start the engine and give it a minute or so to warm up and put my finger on theauto choke coil it should be hot if its working. Thanks for all your suggestions guys!
 
The "techie" was right. The coil gets VERY hot so be careful. Checking it that way will tell you if the SE valve coil is working and, probably more important, that the thermal coil under your flywheel is producing the power it needs. BUT...it won't tell you if the valve's pintle pin is stuck in the extended position and shutting off the fuel needed for cold start. Just sayin'.

Good luck.
 
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