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where to begin swaping 302 in 25' bayliner

vogey

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just picked up a 73 25' bayliner with 188hp 302 in it, get it home come to find out theres no spark plugs in the engine and its froze up, have had brake fluid and tranny fluid in cylinders for almost a week now still cant get it to budge, i have a 302 from past project in my shop right now, just wondering were to begin when pullin the 302 out of the boat, mainly how everything is attached in back, what do i all need to disconnect to get motor out. i have swaped a few engines in vehicles but never a boat, lookin to get the old girl on the water by 4th of july
 
Ayuh,.... Pull the outdrive, then the motor mounts on the 4 corners...
Unhook the wiring,+ lines, then Pull it straight up...
 
yea remove the drive and see if it turns then. if not bondo gave you the way.

But what i don't understand why you want to put a 302 in and not a 351 same space thats alot of boat to push with a single motor.

Oh well you have it already thats probably the reason.

Good luck !
 
so you you take the out drive off the back of the boat then, the motor comes out, (after yah take the motor mounts off of course) i actually was gonna put a 351w in there but figured the exaust would be to much of a head ache i have both a 302 and 351, the 302 got more hp then the 351 actually, is there any diagrams out there to show me whats all back behind the motor? does the bellhouseing stay on the engine when you pull the motor?
 
yes the bell housing comes out with the motor. Once you pull the drive there is nothing to stop you from moving the motor.

You can put it on a pallet, and work off that. I place a piece of plywood over the pallet so it's smooth. And i have been known to bolt down the motor at the mounts to start it before i put them back in the boat.

Just put water to the same hole that would have the raw water come into the t-stat.

Good luck.
 
ok i got my parts boat last night its a mercruiser but has a 4 cyl gm engine in it, the outdrive is the same as the one on my bayliner right? i gonna practice gettin the motor out of there first since that boat will never see water again lol
 
ok i got my parts boat last night its a mercruiser but has a 4 cyl gm engine in it, the outdrive is the same as the one on my bayliner right?

Ayuh,.... Donno just how much the Same they are,...
The Gear Ratios are Exact Opposites...
 
so your sayin it wont work? i dont intend to use the 4 cyl at all its junk as well, i just picked it up cause price was right and trailer is decent, the outdrive looks to be in way better condition then the one on the 25' the powder coat is falling off and the skeg has a chunk missing. would i be able to compensate the gear ratio with a diff prop? i have 4 stainless steel props for my speed boat (225 hp merc outboard on 17 ft hydrostream valero) i have some pretty long legged props, or are you sayin they spin the other way? oh btw i did take the engine out of the parts boat and it was a breeze way less complicated then it looked at first lol
 
Well,.... The 188 drive Should be a 1.5:1...
The other 1 is a 1.98:1....

Figure it out,... You'll probably need a 30-something inch pitch prop...
 
i will just keep the regular drive on it, if it works anyways, no reason why it shouldn't i just havent had it on the lake ever, how much oil/grease should there be in the gimbal shaft area? when i pulled the lower unit on the smaller boat a bunch of oil came out, when i pulled the lower unit on the bayliner today it was much dryer in there, also my tilt n trim dosn't work, i hooked up the batterys and push the buttons.... nothing, were should i begin looking?
 
How the trim/tilt works

Before you tear anything apart or replace wiring and switches, test it out; first by visual inspection by pulling back and forth on the wires while operating the switches and then test with a meter. At the commander switches, the red wire will always have 12 volts. The green wire gets 12 volts when the trim toggle is held down. The blue wire gets 12 volts only when the toggle is held up or the trailer switch is pushed in. The purple wire is part of the limit switch circuit.

If the switch voltages are as they are supposed to be then go to the trim/tilt pump assy. and make sure the purple wire connector (single wire) and the blue wire connector with two blue wires on one side of the connection are not corroded or loose. These are the trim position and limit switch wires. Pull them apart and inspect; they should be clean and tight; reconnect them. If necessary, trace the wires to the front of the engine near the slave solenoid. One wire is grounded near there and the other is connected to a terminal. If you don't get a voltage reading at the terminal junction, apply 12 VDC to see if the trim gauge moves. If it does, check for voltage back at the trim pump connections. If no voltage is there, apply 12 VDC there to check gauge movement.

Next check the three wire connector (RED, BLUE & GREEN) at the pump assy. This plug can vibrate loose and cause your problem. Pull it off and see if the pins are clean and not corroded; reconnect it.

The RED wire in the plug sends 12 volts from the pump assy. to the toggle up/down and trailer up switches. The BLUE & GREEN wires bring 12 volts from the toggle trim/tilt and trailer switches to the two solenoids on the pump assy.

The GREEN wire goes to the DOWN solenoid while the BLUE wire goes to the UP solenoid.

Did you check the switches with an ohmmeter? The trim/tilt switch is a 2-way switch and will show continuity only when it is toggled in each direction between two of the wires.

Up toggle connects the RED wire to the BLUE wire. Down toggle connects the RED wire to the GREEN wire. The TRAILER UP switch also connects the RED wire to the BLUE wire.

The OD trim limit switch will only send voltage to the trim/tilt switch in the upward toggle position if the OD limit switch is below the adjusted trim limit that keeps the OD being out of the water.

To test the limit switch circuit, lower the OD to the down position and slowly raise it with the trim toggle up until it stops. Then measure the distance between the trim cylinder attaching bolts. If the distance is approx. 22 +/- 1/4 inches, then the trim limit switch is adjusted properly and the commander trim toggle switch is working in the up/down mode.

Go to the trim/tilt pump assy. and make sure the purple wire connector (single wire) and the blue wire connector two blue wires on one side of the connection are not corroded or loose. Pull them apart; they should be clean and tight; reconnect them.
Next check the three (RED, BLUE & GREEN) wire connector at the pump assy. The RED wire in the plug sends 12 volts from the pump assy. to the toggle up/down and trailer up switches. This plug can vibrate loose and cause your problem. Pull it off and see if the pins are clean and not corroded; reconnect it.

The BLUE & GREEN wires bring 12 volts from the switches to the two solenoids on the pump assy. The GREEN wire goes to the DOWN solenoid while the BLUE wire goes to the UP solenoid.

Disconnect the trim/tilt assy. wires from the battery and then check each of the nuts and studs on the solenoids for clean and tight fittings. Each solenoid has three wires and the buss bar connected to it. The bases of them have a black ground wire and a small blue wire to one and a small green wire to the other.

On top of each solenoid, the large BLUE wire from the pump motor attaches to a large copper stud with the solenoid that has the small blue wire at the base while the large GREEN wire from the pump motor attaches to a large copper stud with the solenoid that has the small green wire at the base.

The other copper solenoid studs are connected together with a copper buss bar. One of the two studs will also have a funny looking 110 amp fuse attached to the bar. The large RED wire from the battery connects to the 110 amp fuse. This large red wire is the power for this buss bar. A small RED wire attached to the bar stud sends 12 volts to the switches which in turn sends the 12 volts to the solenoids which turns on the pump motor.

Important: if the studs on the either solenoid are dark and not like a clean penny, especially the BLUE wired solenoid, this solenoid is failing due to age and/or a loose bottom copper stud nut. The dark color comes from heat generated inside of the solenoid by the contactor because it is arcing like welding similar to points wearing out. Change the solenoid.

Cleaning Trim Limit Switch & Trim Position Sender

For the trim/tilt problem you are experiencing, if the wires from the limit switch (port side) and trim position sender (starboard side) are in good condition, they (Switch or sender) can be disassembled to clean out the old hardened grease. SCRIBE the sides of each one and the OD for a reference mark before removal. Clean out the old grease and pump fresh Mercruiser 2-4-C grease thru the zerk fittings before reinstallation. Clean the small brass contact points with solvent and a pencil eraser until shiny; repack w/ 2-4-C grease and reinstall by aligning reference marks.
 
thanks for the info guy! that should be bout everything i need, i will be digging into it tommarow hopefully (going to be putting engine in my van tonight, no reason gettin boat up n ready if i got nothing to pull it with lol)
 
Chiefalen: A big thanks. I learned the trim circuitry the hard way; I completely rebuilt the power/trim assy. by installing all new parts and wiring onto the frame. Rebuilt the shifter assy. including installing a new neutral safety switch and coiled wire harness w/new trim and trailer switches. Also replaced all the wiring for the engine and the boat while adding an automotive type fuse box and several new circuits. It was fun and a learning experience.
 
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