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Trim problem with my 1979 motor and 2006 Binicle control

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sdavis555

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I put a new binible control on

I put a new binible control on my flats boat with all the correct adapters etc. I have shorted out two trim switches. When I hard wire my old (1979) switch and cable to the wire harness it works fine. The new wires are a bit smaller guage can that be the problem? And if so why has bombardia not addressed this?
 
"It may be a 'problem'

"It may be a 'problem' with the trim relays You have. The 4 stroke 50/70 and the top mount controls ( with rubber protection on the switch) had a tendancy of melting the trim switch in the handle due to too high amps to operate the relays. To get around the problems, an extra st of relays (the original OMC/BRP) had to be connected in between the switch and the engine."
 
"I don't see any relays on

"I don't see any relays on the motor. All I can find is the solinoid. mounted in a seperate black box.
2 questions. When you mention the 50/70 4 stroke what do you mean?
Where would these relays be located and where can I buy any extra set.
Also, you say "had a problem melting the switch" has this been addressed by OMC BRP, is there a new model switch and control?"
 
"If the switch has been modifi

"If the switch has been modified by now I do not know, but when the problem occured the 'fix' from BRP was to install a second set of assist relays in the cable harness. The 50/70 4 strokes are Suzukis with different kind of trim relays than the 2 strokes. The pull more amps and melts the switch. In Your 'black box' there are probably 2 relays, one up and one down. You may solve the problem if the original OMC/BRP relays fit. If someone has put in some unoriginal relays, that is probably Your problem."
 
I have a 115 evinrude (198

I have a 115 evinrude (1980) and the tilt and trim only will raise and not lower. ruled out the switch.But someone said maybe relays .if so where are they located. thanks Steve
 
"Shiuld be in a black plastic

"Shiuld be in a black plastic box on the exhaust cover between the cyl heads. Try to switch the relays. If that results in the 'oposite' function, one relay is defective."
 
"Morten, So you are saying th

"Morten, So you are saying that I have relays and a solinoid? The solinoid is in a black box mounted in the boat not on the motor. I'll have a look but I have not run across any relays yet this is a 1979 motor."
 
"Just checked it out on a 115,

"Just checked it out on a 115, and You are correct and furthermore that is Your problem.
The solenoid draws too much amps and kills the switch. Best would be to plug in two assist relays in the circuit for the trim cable from the remote. Easiest if You may get a relay box with wireing from an older V4/6 cross (wreck) and just connect it into the harness. The box You just mount inside the transom."
 
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"There is to my knowledge no d

"There is to my knowledge no drawing of how to connect them, but if You are a bit into electrical they should be as assist inbetween the switch and solenoid/pump motor. If Yu get the box I suggested, a lot easier as that has the wireing almost complete.
From switch to relay and blue/green out to solenoid resp tilt motor with reference to above diagram from Joe. I would perhaps in Your case have tried to replace the whole solenoid box, but it depends a bit how much amps the motor pulls on lift."
 
"If you study the picture that

"If you study the picture that Mr. Reeves has provided you with, you will notice that this T&T motor has three wires, an up, a down, and a common or ground. This is the system that my 1979 Johnson uses. The newer versions have two wires and use the dual-relay box to reverse the polarity of the motor to accomplish the same thing. That said, does your motor have two wires coming from it or three?"
 
"There is no major difference

"There is no major difference in wireing of the two and 3 wires system. The 'old' 3 wires grounds the unit through the separate third wire, the new engine (2 wire) grounds directly in the unit. The old engines does not have the small ground jumper wires between the unit and engine ground needed. The 'problem' in the present set up(solenoid) and the binacle controle is that all amps needed for the down function runs through the switch which the switch is not designed for. Even the amps needed to operate the solenoid is above the limit of the switch."
 
my tilt and trim motor has two

my tilt and trim motor has two wires exiting the top of the motor.thats what was confusung when the switch has three. so It must have a duel relay or would it still have 2 relays.
 
"If a blue and green comming f

"If a blue and green comming from the trim motor, You may see a short ground wire attached between one of the fastening screw of the motor and the hydraulic unit, but not allways as it may ground through the screw.What is important is in that case that the unit has a proper grounding to engine ground as the unit is partly isolated by plastc bushing and corrosion on bolts etc. Technically there are no need for relays providing cable areas and switch may handle the amperage. The amp needed when trimming down is much lower than when trimming up. That is the reason the old system only had one solenoid, but the old switch at least managed to handle the load, the new ones does not. Relays needed both up and down!"
 
Any Idea on the parts number o

Any Idea on the parts number of the "black Box" that Mr. Ringvold suggest? And a good place to get one? Also would I be able to use the current wiring harness that I have on my motor.
 
"Wow thanks, Would this compl

"Wow thanks, Would this compleatly replace the existing black box now mount with soliniod? Or would I need to have both?"
 
"Wow that part is $199, I have

"Wow that part is $199, I have already spent $700 on new cables, Binicle control wring harness ect.
You would think they would have just made it easier."
 
You could simply install anoth

You could simply install another solenoid in the green wire circuit which would be quite more reasonable. This would allow you to use the existing PTT switch and the existing electrical PTT solenoid setup.

I'll insert another drawing in a short time.
 
I contacted a tech at Johson a

I contacted a tech at Johson and they have a relay assist that works with the solinoid for $39. I want to thank everyone that has commented on my problem. You saved me many headaches and much money. Thanks again.
 
"Johnson sent me a relay to in

"Johnson sent me a relay to install this relay has six wires and a ground. The wire are in two groups.
1st group
RED/White stripe
Green/White stripe
Blue/white strip

2nd group
RED/White stripe
GREEN
BLUE
One Has a female triangle connector, one with a male connector, I don't have matching connectors but i can direct wire these in if someone knows what goes to what. From my control unit I have red/white, green/white, blues/white; from my motor end I have Green/white, red/white/ blue/white and red, green and blues wires, Six ( I thought the soild wires were for a second switch, that is what I was told) Any Ideas? will this work or should I should I go with the double soiliniod set up. "
 
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