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Timing on an AQ145a

isisthree

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Hi, can anyone help me please.


I am trying to check and adjust then timing on an AQ145A. The problem I am having is that the timing groove is on the crankshaft pulley and the calibrated marks are on the engine block, which is about 4 inches away. Is it that my timing light is not bright enough or am I doing something wrong? Any advice would be most grateful.


Many Thanks


Nick
 
I am trying to check and adjust then timing on an AQ145A. The problem I am having is that the timing groove is on the crankshaft pulley and the calibrated marks are on the engine block, which is about 4 inches away. Is it that my timing light is not bright enough or am I doing something wrong? Any advice would be most grateful.
Nick, we time all engine functions as per #1 cylinder, so the timing light triggering lead must be connected to #1 spark plug wire.

Use a standard timing light on this engine, since all degrees are clearly visible.
If the markings are not bright, perhaps highlite them with a white paint pen, or ____!

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Your timing light will/should flash at the precise nano second as is your actual spark event.

The flash or strobe will elluminate these markings as though they are "still".
The degree that becomes elluminated, will indicate the current spark lead at that RPM! (this will vary at each RPM)

As you increase RPM as you strobe, the notch in the pulley will appear to move towards Stbd.... (I.E., to your left when viewing the front of the engine.)


If the engine starts and runs, your actual timing may be close.
If your strobe elluminates the notch too far towards Stbd, you may not have your triggering lead on cylinder #1.


Now... more importantly, you should be able to see not only your BASE advance, but you'll want to look at the progressive advance.

See your Volvo Penta OEM service manual for these specs, and make sure that your distributor allows for these OEM specs to ouccur.
These old distributors are prone to having flyweight return spring issues, and/or flyweight issues.
If the flyweights aren't operating correctly, or if the flyweight return springs have become compromised due to rust, you will risk an early igntion advance that may cause engine damage.


Point being: DO NOT just set BASE advance, and call it a day!
Check the Progressive and Total Advance.
 
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Hi Rick Thanks for the reply. This is the problem I was trying to describe. The crankshaft pulley is a long away from the timing marks so the strobe does not illuminate them even though I have marked them up in white paint. I can confirm that the strobe was connected to the no1 cylinder.

Regards


Nick
 
....... The crankshaft pulley is a long away from the timing marks so the strobe does not illuminate them even though I have marked them up in white paint. I can confirm that the strobe was connected to the no1 cylinder.
Hmmmmmm

Nick, when you say that the crankshaft pulley is a long way from the timing marks, are you saying that the pulley is forward of the aluminum cover (leaving a large gap), or that the pulley notch is being illuminated is too far towards Starboard?

If you are on #1 plug wire, and if the notch is being illuminated too far towards Starboard, there's only several reasonable scenarios:

1.... the crankshaft pulley is indexed incorrectly.

2..... your BASE advance is exceeding 40*, but most engines would not idle on 40* BTDC, let alone fire up on 40* BTDC.

3.... you are using a digitally advancing timing light that is in the incorrect "mode".


Again, since these timing marks include up to 40*, there's absolutely no need to use a digitally advancing timing light on this engine.
I'd use a Standard Timing light. This way you'll see the advance in Real Degrees/Real Time.

BTW, #1 cylinder is always the most FWD cylinder (closest to you) when viewing the engine from the front end.



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Rick, I have attached a picture of the problem, The only mark is on the crankshaft pulley is the notch/ groove which I have circled. I cannot find a mark on the outer rim to time from.

Should there be a mark on the outer rim or is there a special tool to create the mark.


At this moment I am totally confused


Regards and thanks for your patience so far


Nick
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There will be a small indent or chip out of the v-belt pulley, up towards the top of the v-belt when in the groove. That's TDC.
 
Correct.
The outer area of the pulley belt groove will be either stamped or notched. I'm thinking that it will be notched.

When this notch aligns with the ZERO marking on the aluminum cover, this is your #1 cylinder theoretical TDC.

As you strobe these marks, any increase in RPM will cause the "notch" to appear closer towards Starboard.

At idle RPM, this will be your BASE or Initial advance.
Don't confuse the two...... you need to time this engine for BASE advance......., and then look at the progressive and TA.

Your TA is what can make power and torque, or it can cause engine damage..... (depending on if it's out of spec either way).


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Thanks Rick and Gary.


I have now bought a long shaft plug spanner to fit my socket set, and I intend to go to the boat this weekend and remove the plugs. Turn the engine over by hand and hopefully see what you guys are describing.


Many Thanks


Nick
 
For ignition timing, you'll be using the array of markings in the aluminum cover (0 - 40), and the single marking on the V-belt pulley.

In this image, I've made a black mark to show you approx where the pulley notch or dimple will be (depending on crankshaft position).

As you strobe this area at idle RPM, this mark will correspond with the appropriate advance number on the cover.
As you increase RPM, the corresponding advance number will also increase.
 

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Rick, I have attached a picture of the problem, The only mark is on the crankshaft pulley is the notch/ groove which I have circled. I cannot find a mark on the outer rim to time from.

Should there be a mark on the outer rim or is there a special tool to create the mark.


At this moment I am totally confused


Regards and thanks for your patience so far


Nick
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There should be a mark on the outer rim of the pulley. No wonder you don't see the strobe. your mark is for the pulley alignment on the crank shaft. I know, swedish engineering.
 
Hi, thanks for the help. I went to the boat and marked the timing marks as suggested with some white paint and bought a new timing light with a xenon bulb and an inductive pick-up.


What an easy job to do with good advice and the correct tools.


The base advance was reset as per the Volvo Penta manual to 8 degrees at tick over and when revved to 4200 rpm the progressive advance was as the manual said also.


Once again thanks for help


Nick
 
Hi, thanks for the help. I went to the boat and marked the timing marks as suggested with some white paint and bought a new timing light with a xenon bulb and an inductive pick-up.

What an easy job to do with good advice and the correct tools.


The base advance was reset as per the Volvo Penta manual to 8 degrees at tick over and when revved to 4200 rpm the progressive advance was as the manual said also.
Nick, good job.
Just remember that your progressive and TA are much more important than your Initial or BASE advance are.
 
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