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Rebuilding the transom 77 Starcraft 22’aluminum vessel

TheBrain

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Rebuilding the transom 77 22’Chieftain been researching the materials.

Coosa board is kindof of pricie $700.plus a 100 mile oneway trip, same w/ the poured in liquid material

(plus Chieftains don’t have inside transom skin so I’d have to fab one.

Then prime the aluminum so the material will stick.lotta extra work.

Marine ply is like close to $400 for two ¾” sheets and it still requires gluing & sealing



So

Is this decent plywood https://www.homedepot.com/p/Columbi...ip_rr-_-n/a-_-4-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a

Plan to glue two sheets together w/ TotalBoat High Performance Epoxy Kit​

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XH5CVFR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

& screw together the 2 sheets w/ stainless steel screws leave them inside sealing.

Then seal it properly w/ penetrating epoxy this. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J36WRSK/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_9?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

If I’ve picked an unsuitable plywood pls recommend an a link would help thanks for advising.
ENGINE  MOUNTED rigged.jpg
pod weldedsm.jpg
 
No need for marine ply, use any good 3/4 BCX Ply and glue together
The first letter is the exterior grade surface, A for cabinet grade and B has slight imperfects
CX is exterior grade glue used to bond the layers together

Don't use treated
 
First off Brain, nice looking Starcraft!

I agree with Dodge, no treated wood. Depending on what was used for treatment, the exterior treatment chemicals can potentially interact with the aluminum - no bueno.

Plan to glue two sheets together w/ TotalBoat High Performance Epoxy Kit​

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XH5CVFR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

& screw together the 2 sheets w/ stainless steel screws leave them inside sealing.

Then seal it properly w/ penetrating epoxy this. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J36WRSK/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_9?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

I am also currently working on restoring a 22' Starcraft, and I am also in the process of replacing the transom wood.

With regards to glueing them together there are strong opinions out there on what is best. To boil it down for you Epoxy is a better long term solution to glue the sheets together; however clearly more expensive. Many out there use Titebond III for that. If you go with glue make sure to use a lot!

With regards to sealing the outside of the transom wood I personally chose to go with US composites. I'll include a link below. Don't let the website scare you, it may look old but it is a legitimate business and they have good customer service. If you aren't sure what you need, or are having difficulty deciding they will answer your questions if you give them a call. If you are interested I can dig up the product numbers for the epoxy and accompanying materials needed that I purchased as well as the quantities. Since we are working on the essentially the same boat you probably need the same amount and product type.

https://www.uscomposites.com/

Now, with regards to the screws: NO SCREWS!! If you have done a good job glueing the sheets together you will not need fasteners. More importantly however, NO STEEL FASTENERS should be allowed to contact the aluminum. Over time the dissimilar metals will cause corrosion. Best off to skip the fasteners altogether and focus your efforts on a good adhesive bond between the sheets.
 
Rebuilding the transom 77 22’Chieftain been researching the materials.

Coosa board is kindof of pricie $700.plus a 100 mile oneway trip, same w/ the poured in liquid material

(plus Chieftains don’t have inside transom skin so I’d have to fab one.

Then prime the aluminum so the material will stick.lotta extra work.

Marine ply is like close to $400 for two ¾” sheets and it still requires gluing & sealing


Is this decent plywood https://www.homedepot.com/p/Columbi...ip_rr-_-n/a-_-4-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a


If I’ve picked an unsuitable plywood pls recommend an a link would help thanks for advising.

Now with regards to plywood:

As I am currently also rebuilding my Starcraft transom I have gone through all of those options myself. Where I landed as it seems that you have is that good ol' plywood is going to be the most affordable, least time consuming and easiest to work with. Something to be aware of is that there are strong opinions out there on this. One fella on here even used old hockey sticks to replace the transom wood! So at the end of the day you will need to decide for yourself. All of that said I'll try to throw some information out that may help.

With regards to Plywood choice I would try shopping with a local lumber yard that specializes in LUMBER ONLY. The kind of place a contractor would order wood from if he were building a house. These will usually be found in industrial areas so you may have to drive a good distance to find a decent lumber yard. I would recommend you search them online and call them up. Once you get a salesperson on the phone you just mention that you are looking for something that will be similar to marine grade ply but not treated for exterior use. I highly recommend you contact them in some way ahead of time because they won't necessarily have everything in stock. As I was shopping for plywood I found that marine ply is actually difficult to find. Most of the lumber yards I contacted had a similar product that they kept in stock that they recommended.

The advantages I found shopping with a lumber yard:
  • They offer more products than home depot does.
  • I found that I could get a far better quality grade of plywood for not much more money than Home Depot.
  • I have done a lot of carpentry work and I can tell you from experience that the wood from home depot isn't the best. They have affordable wood, and the most commonly needed cuts, but I tend to shop elsewhere if I need quality wood for structural or aesthetic reasons.
  • A lumber yard will be more knowledgeable on the products that they carry and will be able to help you choose the best option.
To boil the opinions on marine ply down for you:
  • Some say marine ply is the best, or only option. One of the arguments being that you want it to last as long as possible.
  • Others say that marine ply is too expensive, and hard to find. They will also argue that a high quality ply (with fewest voids possible) with some water resistance should be sufficient, and that you should be able to rely on the epoxy to do a majority of the work. Just remember to be wary of some plywood that is treated for exterior use.
If you decide to go with anything of lesser grade than marine ply just make sure to do a very good job with your epoxy work. I'm sure that this goes without saying but make sure that you get the edges of the transom wood and inside any bolt holes that are drilled or holes for through hull fittings and such. As far as a specific plywood product I can recommend for you? I think you are better off contacting your local industrial lumber yards and seeing what they have available, and pricing.

Now, for an interesting wrinkle that Starcraft Chieftan and Islander owners will be aware of; the transom has no "skin" on the inside. As you mentioned above, there is only the aluminum sheet on the exterior of the hull and the two sheets of plywood on the inside. The reason this is significant is that any time you take on water that transom wood may get wet as there is nothing at all separating it from the bilge area. So where other boat owners will have their transom wood completely encased, ours will be exposed to any moisture in the bilge area. All the more reason to keep a good strong bilge pump and trailer it with the plug out!

I hope this helps! Don't forget to let us know what you decide!
 
No need for marine ply, use any good 3/4 BCX Ply and glue together
The first letter is the exterior grade surface, A for cabinet grade and B has slight imperfects
CX is exterior grade glue used to bond the layers together

Don't use treated
thanks for the explaination it helps.yes I agree w/ the Don't use treated.

the other day I cruised the the lumber place it's like a warehouse. how it works is the lumber sellers take my $ an send me over to this place. these lumber middlemen are greedie than others but they get there cut.

anyway what they where passing off as marine grade both sides had smooth knot free however it was only 5 ply. wasn't near the quaility I purchased 10 years ago. found out it's imported from china.

very dissapointed. they didn't have ACX man said he hadn't had ACX in years but did have CDX.which looked OK except for the blemishes at the sides you can see the gaps/imprefections.

I hate say it but I maybe forced to get the USA made coosa board at $800.
 
Now with regards to plywood:

As I am currently also rebuilding my Starcraft transom I have gone through all of those options myself. Where I landed as it seems that you have is that good ol' plywood is going to be the most affordable, least time consuming and easiest to work with. Something to be aware of is that there are strong opinions out there on this. One fella on here even used old hockey sticks to replace the transom wood! So at the end of the day you will need to decide for yourself. All of that said I'll try to throw some information out that may help.

With regards to Plywood choice I would try shopping with a local lumber yard that specializes in LUMBER ONLY. The kind of place a contractor would order wood from if he were building a house. These will usually be found in industrial areas so you may have to drive a good distance to find a decent lumber yard. I would recommend you search them online and call them up. Once you get a salesperson on the phone you just mention that you are looking for something that will be similar to marine grade ply but not treated for exterior use. I highly recommend you contact them in some way ahead of time because they won't necessarily have everything in stock. As I was shopping for plywood I found that marine ply is actually difficult to find. Most of the lumber yards I contacted had a similar product that they kept in stock that they recommended.

The advantages I found shopping with a lumber yard:
  • They offer more products than home depot does.
  • I found that I could get a far better quality grade of plywood for not much more money than Home Depot.
  • I have done a lot of carpentry work and I can tell you from experience that the wood from home depot isn't the best. They have affordable wood, and the most commonly needed cuts, but I tend to shop elsewhere if I need quality wood for structural or aesthetic reasons.
  • A lumber yard will be more knowledgeable on the products that they carry and will be able to help you choose the best option.
To boil the opinions on marine ply down for you:
  • Some say marine ply is the best, or only option. One of the arguments being that you want it to last as long as possible.
  • Others say that marine ply is too expensive, and hard to find. They will also argue that a high quality ply (with fewest voids possible) with some water resistance should be sufficient, and that you should be able to rely on the epoxy to do a majority of the work. Just remember to be wary of some plywood that is treated for exterior use.
If you decide to go with anything of lesser grade than marine ply just make sure to do a very good job with your epoxy work. I'm sure that this goes without saying but make sure that you get the edges of the transom wood and inside any bolt holes that are drilled or holes for through hull fittings and such. As far as a specific plywood product I can recommend for you? I think you are better off contacting your local industrial lumber yards and seeing what they have available, and pricing.

Now, for an interesting wrinkle that Starcraft Chieftan and Islander owners will be aware of; the transom has no "skin" on the inside. As you mentioned above, there is only the aluminum sheet on the exterior of the hull and the two sheets of plywood on the inside. The reason this is significant is that any time you take on water that transom wood may get wet as there is nothing at all separating it from the bilge area. So where other boat owners will have their transom wood completely encased, ours will be exposed to any moisture in the bilge area. All the more reason to keep a good strong bilge pump and trailer it with the plug out!

I hope this helps! Don't forget to let us know what you decide!
Ten years ago I seriously messed up the transom 77 Chieftain 22’
Where I messed up a couple times.My orginale plywood transom appeared to be 2” thick
It mite have been swollen. I believe Starcraft didn’t use ¾” plywood I think it was 3 layers of 5/8” which is 1 7/8.
The flange this plywood sits in was a tad smaller than 2 “ BTW orginal transom was in pretty good shape it was painted on exposed inside.
    • I actuely had to grind down the thickness around the perimeter of wood to get it to slide into the flanges.this grinded down around the perimeter never got sealed now is flaking off.
      star rot2.jpg
2.The lumber seller didn’t have ½” marine grade plywood. Sold me ½ regular I thought well I’m sealing it anyway wronge.
3.glued all 3 plywoods together ¾” x 2 an the ½”in middle w/ construction glue
F26.jpg
, lumber place say it was waterproof wronge. look close you can see the 1/2" middle piece the marine is in better shape but is delaminating

rotting on star side.jpg

    • sealed w/ cheap urethane from home depot wronge.
      sparurathame.jpg
    • I had to cut the transom skin off the vessel to remove the transom. left the star side half exposed used 5200 on the top of this star side wronge.
I sealed top of port side w/ 5200 an fabbed a new aluminum transome skin this port side isn’t rotton.
The small section ontop of star side is where the ½”ply got rot. See the allen key stuck down about 4 “ so it’s not totally rotton. The exposed ¾” ply is in pretty good shape however there are spots where I can stick a screwdriver into maybe a few layers of ply
See when I left the top transom skin off this plywood was exposed to rain.
I thought so what is been covered in urathan an top was coated w/ 5200 wronge.
Again port side is unaffected by any rot. Where the outboard engine mount bolts are seam dry.
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I need to redo the transom before next cruise. again w/ ¾” x2 marine plywood an I have a aluminum scafold
schafold plateform I beam stronge.jpg
to reinforce the 1 1/2" plywood plus an overkill kneebrace.
reardecklidup.jpg

Sealed w/ the proper sealant this time in addition to the urathan I used cheap fiberglass resin, this vessel is exposed to all weather so she's been rained on for ten years didn't help matters next home will have a carport cover.
fiberglass resin.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/.../B00.../ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4...
all this to illistrate how not to do a transom, I guess I got a little lucky she lasted 10 years instead of 30.

edit: Starcraft used stainless steel though hull screws to hold the transom wood into the flanges.
I think if I do find a decent sheet of marine plywood the 2 sheets would be stronger w/ the screws left in there being sealed.

I may have to take a road trip to the coast to get decent marine grade. the coosa board is looking to be the best choice.
Thanks for any tips
 
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more on this subject.since the current transom is deterating all around the perimeter I was actuely
considering extending the side flanges where the transom sits in.
extend the flange.jpg



I was also considering using the scolfold material to fab a complete aluminum transom which mite be a tad more involved bc of the sides being much higher than the cut out splashwell.
either plywood , coosa still haven't ruled out liquid transom it will be much higher by 7.5" my new ETEC engine fully tilts.
new transom 7 taller.jpg
 
considering probally the easiest method which would allow me to leave the engine attached to transom.
remove the current transom wood w/ engine pod still attached. slap a inside transom skin on an use liquid transom. what do you Guys think
 
Here is what I think as a fellow StarCraft owner. Won't the bolts running through the transom need to be removed to get the old wood out anyhow? Also, not being super familiar with the pour in stuff I am curious if it can be poured over through bolts, or if they recommend drilling through bolt holes after it has hardened?

The idea of anything other than wood for the transom has always been something I have been interested in; but for me however I chose not to do that simply because of cost.

As a fellow Starcraft owner here is my concern with leaving the engine attached for the procedure. As mentioned above your current transom construction only has an aluminum sheet and the transom wood. Once the transom wood is removed there is nothing to support the aluminum and it could potentially bow outward with the weight of the engine pulling it that way. That said if all of the bracing you have done distributes 100% of the load of the outdrive down to the stringers and you are confident that there will be no load on the transom once the wood has been removed then you might be fine. I can tell you that with no transom wood my aluminum transom skin had good amount of deflection. It basically flopped back and forth if I poked it with one finger. I know that if too much force is applied to the transom skin while there is nothing to support it on the other side it can shear/ fracture. The transom wood on my boat had rotted away at the bottom below the outdrive and the previous owner hadn't noticed it. As a result there were a pair of 4" fractures near the bottom of the outdrive hole that I had to weld up.

Out of curiosity why are you considering extending the flange on the transom?
 
By the way with regards to fasteners for your transom wood:

Basically what types of metals are compatible for your situation will come down to Anodic Index. The difference in anodic index, and environmental consideration determines what metals are similar enough for your application. Starcraft uses 5000 series aluminum; 5052 to be exact. The anodic index for that should be roughly 0.90. For harsh conditions (marine environment is considered a harsh condition) there should be no more than a 0.15 difference in Anodic Index. So it will depend on the Anodic Index of the steel you intend to use. Low alloy steels will be safe as those will be around 0.85. Galvanized steel and chromium steel would be well out of compatibility range.

I hope this helps.
 
Here is what I think as a fellow StarCraft owner. Won't the bolts running through the transom need to be removed to get the old wood out anyhow? Also, not being super familiar with the pour in stuff I am curious if it can be poured over through bolts, or if they recommend drilling through bolt holes after it has hardened?

The idea of anything other than wood for the transom has always been something I have been interested in; but for me however I chose not to do that simply because of cost.

As a fellow Starcraft owner here is my concern with leaving the engine attached for the procedure. As mentioned above your current transom construction only has an aluminum sheet and the transom wood. Once the transom wood is removed there is nothing to support the aluminum and it could potentially bow outward with the weight of the engine pulling it that way. That said if all of the bracing you have done distributes 100% of the load of the outdrive down to the stringers and you are confident that there will be no load on the transom once the wood has been removed then you might be fine. I can tell you that with no transom wood my aluminum transom skin had good amount of deflection. It basically flopped back and forth if I poked it with one finger. I know that if too much force is applied to the transom skin while there is nothing to support it on the other side it can shear/ fracture. The transom wood on my boat had rotted away at the bottom below the outdrive and the previous owner hadn't noticed it. As a result there were a pair of 4" fractures near the bottom of the outdrive hole that I had to weld up.

Out of curiosity why are you considering extending the flange on the transom?
I'm having diffaculty locating the decent AB marine grade plywood. or a decent none preasure treated ply.

if I use liquid transom the engine pod is surported w/jack stands an 4x4.surported the pod bc I'm in the process of removing the knee brace, either method of transom replacment I'm reducing the size of this brace.
the pods though hull mount bolts are wrapped w/ reynolds wrape. so the poured material won't stick to the bolts.
the purpose of extending the side an even bottom transom flange is bc the perimeter of the transoms wood has deterarated all along where I reduced the thickness so the wood would slide in as explain above also the orginal flange is designed for a inboard which doesn't have as much stress as the outboard puts on it exspecially w/ relocating engine back 20" adds a cantilever effect.

I'd prefer to aviod derig an rerig engine controls but probaly should w/ the new ETEC the steering tubes could be aimed a bit better so when engine is fully titled tubes won't be contacted.
 
i would use an engine hoist on the outboard, to take the load OFF the transom...
if I use liquid transom the engine pod is surported w/jack stands an 4x4.surported the pod bc I'm in the process of removing the knee brace, either method of transom replacment I'm reducing the size of this brace

I do have a hoist an will probaly use it in addition to the jack stands even while the pod is still attached.

I kindof rushed the last transom 10 years ago so this time I'm taking my time to hopefully get it right.
 
I mite be able to get some AB marine plywood.I'm a bit confussed about the terminogoly like when a lumber co.says core that means like structual parts transoms stringers ect?
confussed why they have soft wood seams kindof weak. maybe it's designed to be soft to soak up sealants an glues?


I've been informed from total boat to seal it w/ this
seal w this.jpg

bond the two pieces of plywood together w/ this
bond plywood together w this.jpg


add silica to the extra strong epoxy for strength. this
silica to add strengh to bonding glue.jpg
unknown to me the complete procedure I'm assumming step 1. would be to bond the two plys together.
unknown how much silica to add. I've watched a few videos at amazon the extra stronge epoxy seams very good an should probaly cover the whole board.
not sure if the bare aluminum where the inside of transom sits should be painted w/ etch primer?
thanks for any advise on building the transom the correct way this time.
 
heres all the Rot areas,would prefer to repair an procrastinate replacement

1. all of perimeter couple inches inward except for under engine pod.
all the Rot areas.jpg

Remember I had to reduce the thickness so the plywood would fit inside the flange, then just didn’t seal so this cut wood was exposed to moisture. Rot started at the ½” regular wood then spread to the marine.
deterated around perimeter.jpg
maybe I can drill small holes all around the perimitor an inject the penetrating epoxy? then extend the flange on both sides?
extend the flange.jpg


the original flange is just rivitoed to freeboard the bolted w/ 1/4" x2.25" stainless bolts I could add about 8" of flange then use 1/4" X3" stainless bolts.

2.at each corner of splashwell what I did was cut stripes of orginal aluminim an bend into a bottom part of splaswell then cover w/ 5200 then fabbed some aluminin.

Water intruded at the corners.
Only rotted in corners of splashwell.jpg

ENGINE  MOUNTED rigged.jpg

This splashwell rot which is mainly the ½” of regular plywood outward.

I’m considering drilling w/ a 3/8”X 18” wood bite outward to remove as much rot as I can reach.

Then pour liquid transom Arjay 6011-Ceramic Pourable Compound Transom Putty-Cruise.

Mite be a good idea to even drill out the not rotted ½” regular wood, would probably make the pour easier. Kindof like pouring inside the transom.

inbetween the whats still good marine plywood. Then seal the wood w/ epoxy an seal the splashweel better I was actuely planning to have the splashwell welded but was concerned bc I used very thin 1/16” aluminum.orginal aluminum is 1/8”.

Thanks for advising
 
I plan to leave the screws in the two sheets of ¾” plywood then epoxy over wood an screws.



Is this the proper screw? thanks
woods screws.jpg
 
Should I reduce the width of my new transom replacement? I'm covering w/ epoxy an couple layers of 6oz fiberglass so that will increase the transom width
If yes by how much on each side? I'm thinking at minium 1/8" on each side to ease sliding it in. thanks
 
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