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Question on Winterizing an MPI

argonaut

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Just changed my boat, first time I have had an MPI engine (4.3)
Previously when I have had boat winterized, they have left it with engine full of antifreeze, and removed the serpentine belt.

Had winterizing done on Friday by Mercruiser dealer, they just drained it down – using the single point Blue wheel, and left the Serpentine belt in place.
When I asked, I was told due to single point drain down on MPI there is no need for anti-freeze.
Is this correct ? …. I had thought that anti-freeze also prevented any corrosion of block due to condensation with freezing temperatures.

Boat is dry stored in a boat shed.
 
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Did they run the fuel/2 cycle oil mix through the engine? Removing the serpentine belt releases the strain on the belt tensioner while it sits several months...probably not an issue either on or off for a few months. Are you boating in seawater w/o a heat exchanger? If yes, I would pour pink RV antifreeze into the engine to stop the effects of salt corrosion. If not, don't worry about it.
 
Just bought boat so not used yet ... only 5hrs on it, not used at all by owner this year.

I will be using it in salt water, I always flush with X-Salt (SaltAway) after use.

I was not watching them do the job, but when they did service or previous boat they did fog up engine ..........
 
I'm not sure what would be gained by removing the serpentine belt, other than to relax it, of which may not be a bad idea.
Just as with any composite material, if we remove the strain, it will fair better.


I do know that the single point drain systems pose an issue in that the drain ports cannot be probed to clear them of any rust scale. Rust scale may prevent complete draining.
I had a 2003 5.0L V/P here last summer. It had been winterized by an authorized shop who apparently used the single point engine block drain system. Since this system does not lend itself to probing, the rust scale prevented the sea water from draining. The owner was left in possession of a beautifully running 5.0L SBC, but with two large splts on either side of the engine block. :mad:
I'd sure use caution if you are relying on any single point drain system.... in fact, I'd get rid of it ASAP.
Just install drain plugs, or petcocks with the fully removeable stops.
Now these can be probed.


I'm also not sure why a Raw Water cooled MPI engine -vs- a carbureted engine would pose a different need for antifreeze any more than one or the other.
Just plain air won't freeze, expand and crack our expensive cast iron components.
The antifreeze simply gives us that "feel good" feeling.

If rust protection is the goal, I'd suggest that more rust occurs during normal season usage than any off-season would result in.
I think this is common misnomer that antifreeze is actually required.
Again, just plain air won't freeze, expand and crack our expensive cast iron components.

If a salft water engine, then yes...... use the Salt-a-Way kit for flushing, and be sure to fully drain again afterwards.


Also..... if they are using antifreeze, just how are they introducing the antifreeze into the engine block?
Are they using the drive and sea water pump with garden hose muff kit?
Perhaps read this review re; the so called "Winterizing Kits" that some owners and shops will use.
Read what may occur if not used correctly.


I was not watching them do the job, but when they did service or previous boat they did fog up engine .....
Just an FYI here; the MPI engine is NOT fogged in the conventional sense of Engine Fogging.
Instead, an oil enriched fuel mixture is introduced into the fuel system. Commonly the fuel filter cartridge is emptied, and is filled with this mixture. The engine is then operated and will bring this mixture into the system.

The MPI engines are not actually "fogged" as per how we would fog a carbureted engine due to air sensors in the MPI system that cannot be subjected to the fogging oil. So if someone is actually "fogging" an MPI system, you may want to make sure that this does not happen again. :mad:
Come spring time, you may running issues if this was done.


If removing you sea water pump impeller is an option for you, I'd certainly recommend doing this, so that it doesn't take a "set" during the lay up period. These impellers undergo more damage in the off season from sitting at rest within the pump body, than what they undergo during normal use.
Remove it, and shelf it if you can.

With the sea water pump impeller removed, we can do a quick 8-10 second "dry start", and carbureted engine cylinder fogging at the same time.
You can easily fog an engine in 8-10 seconds.
This also blows the exhaust system dry.



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>I'm not sure what would be gained by removing the serpentine belt

>Just plain air won't freeze, expand and crack our expensive cast iron components.

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Previous dealer did this to prevent a permanent fold in belt

Appreciate air won't freeze, but is there a risk of corrosion, Oxygen rich damp atmosphere, condensation ?
or is that not an issue.

In which case why do so many people put anti-freeze in ?
 
Fair questions........

Previous dealer did this to prevent a permanent fold in belt
I agree..... this does make sense.... just as removing our sea water pump impellers during the lay up....... same principle/same idea!

Appreciate air won't freeze, but is there a risk of corrosion, Oxygen rich damp atmosphere, condensation ?
or is that not an issue.
IMO, any corrosion or oxidation that may occur during the lay up (while the block is empty), will be paled by comparison to that which occurs during the boating season.

In which case why do so many people put anti-freeze in ?
It gives them that "Feel Good" feeling. It also sells these silly winterizing kits!

You'll be hard pressed to find an OEM work shop manual that will suggest this is absolutely necessary.

If you do this, drain again afterwards to avoid any accidental antifreeze dilution that may have occured.
Or..... begin with an absolutely and completely drained block first.

I'm not against doing this.... I'm against the risk of any dilution from residual sea water.
 
Interesting on removing impeller ......
I have almost done the opposite, I have an annual service & winterize at end of each season ... so engine has all the old gunge removed before layup.
It does mean that the impeller is then new and in place all winter .... so I guess what you say to avoid.
Never had a problem though.
 
Yes, that is what I would recommend.... especially with the Alpha pump impeller, although this is a bit more involved with the Alpha drive.

Some of the OEM manuals will mention installing the new impeller during winterizing.
Seldom will you read to remove and shelf it, and I doubt that youd find an OEM manual suggesting that.

I've been removing mine (volvo penta crankshaft pumps) for longer than I can recall. I don't push it, but I'd be willing to bet that I could get five, six or more years from them if removed at end of season.
I disgard them earlier than this..... but they could be re-used.


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