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Help! Oil/brown stuff/fuel leaks from spark plug hole

Ben Bowden

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Hey Guys,

I've got an old 70 HP Johnson 2 stroke which was running great up until a short while ago... Here's the background:

I've been taking it out once a week to drive about a few hours out and back to a surf spot near home for about the last year and in that time I had 1 small problem. Every now and then (maybe once a month and increasingly up until this problem) it would run on 2 cylinders instead of 3 for about 5 mins and then carry on as normal at full power.

I took it out recently and it started up fine. We'd made it about 20m out when she died. I changed over to brand new plugs there and then. no good. got a tow back and could start it and kinda keep it alive if I worked the primer bulb. So I figured it must be a fuel problem. Got it home and it started up fine and did so every time I tried to get the fault back for about the next month. Finally i caught it dying and the primer bulb was deflated and I assume therefore no fuel was getting to the cylinders. I'd already cleaned out the lines up to the fuel pump so I figured that was the problem. Ordered a new fuel pump and hey presto we're back in business and it seemed to be running better than ever in the driveway.

One weird thing that I noticed at this point tho - while idling, about every 5 or 10 seconds, the tell tale would switch from being boiling hot (If it was any hotter it would have burnt my hand) to being cold and then cycle back and forth continuously between these temperatures every 5 or 10 seconds. Is this normal?

Thinking nothing of it we took the boat out and it started and then died shortly after and we were unable to get it going again. We pulled out the plugs and from the bottom spark plug hole, out came some sort of oil/fuel/maybe water kind of mixture.

Any ideas? Is it possible the bottom cylinder was never firing and this was why the tell tale was sometimes cold??!

Most of my logic has come from car engines in fixing this and while I understand how 2 strokes work this is my first time trying to fix it...

Many thanks in advance if you have any input at all :)
 
Tell ya what, that motor is probably shot. Ruined. Gone. The exhaust cover baffle plate is warped and it is squirting water into the exhaust ports. That rusty water is your bearings.
 

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Righto kimcrwbr1. I'll have to charge the battery first hen get back to you with compression results...

The hot cold thing was on the muffs.

Regarding the primer bulb, that symptom is resolved now: I cleaned all the lines to the fuel pump a while ago and the vent is definitely fine. The primer bulb still collapsed so I figured the fuel pump was shot. Replaced the fuel pump with a new one and tested a couple of times on the muffs at home. Ran fine without the bulb collapsing but that's when I noticed the hot/cold tell tale happening. Then threw it in the ocean to take for a spin the following day. Broke down and pulled out the plugs (which were brand new) to see if that held any clues and that's when stuff started coming out of the lowest spark plug hole... which is also the cylinder attached to the fuel pump as I understand it. I was hoping that the faulty fuel pump was just leaking fuel into the crank case of the bottom cylinder but I'm not savvy enough to know if that's how it works...
 
You mis-understand ---------Proper spark is not checked with sparkplugs at 0.030" gap.----------It is checked at 7/16" gap with a testing device that forces ignition to show mazimum output.----------From this forum and others this appears to be difficult for some to understand.
 
I am really hoping you are wrong... :(

OK, once in a while, I may be wrong. But I'll bet this isn't one of those times. I've seen it happen way to often. That plate warps at even the slightest hint of overheating, and then it is good-by powerhead. Especially in salt water, it doesn't have a chance of survival.

I wish you luck, I may be wrong.
 
What kind of "stuff" came out of the lowest plug hole ??

It was actually the guy who I own the boat with that saw this. I gave him a call to get some more info... He said it wasn't rusty water. More of an brown oil, water and fuel mix. He said he had the cover off on the ground about a metre behind him and as he pulled the plug out it came firing out and went all over the engine cover. Must have good compression! haha... wishfull thinking.
 
Right. I've still gotta charge the battery but hopefully will get a chance to check all these things on the weekend. Thanks for all the help thus far!
 
It was actually the guy who I own the boat with that saw this. I gave him a call to get some more info... He said it wasn't rusty water. More of an brown oil, water and fuel mix. He said he had the cover off on the ground about a metre behind him and as he pulled the plug out it came firing out and went all over the engine cover. Must have good compression! haha... wishfull thinking.

Exactly. BROWN oil, WATER, and fuel MIX. Fuel isn't brown. Rusty water is brown. OK, yes there are other routes the water could have taken to get in there, such as a blown head gasket. Or even a sunken boat. But the point is, rusty water is never a good sign. It is a sign of catastrophic engine damage.
 
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I just read this thread over again. Was the compression ever checked ?? Maybe I missed it.
 
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Pressure tested the cylinders. 6 months ago when it was all running well they were all between 125 and 130. Now cylinder 1 and 2 are the same at 125 each but the 3rd cylinder is at 147. The 3rd cylinder is the cylinder that was shooting out the water/oil/fuel mix. More of an oil/water mix with a bit of fuel. Still baffled as to how oil is coming out. Just can't understand where oil could even come from being a 2 stroke engine. Its definitely not rusty water. Ideas?
 
Ok, going by the information you give, a gross amount of liquid in a cylinder can increase the compression simply because the liquid takes up space and is not compressible.

Taking your word on it, if it is not water, it has to be fuel (oil & gas mix). A large amount of it can come from a flooding carburetor, or a ruptured fuel pump diaphragm (IF the fuel pump is driven by that cylinder. I haven't taken the time to look it up to see if it is).

UM...flooding with fuel might be coming from the primer too, if it has one. Disregard if it has chokes.

Still concerned, fuel/oil mix is not brown.

Let us know what you find.
 
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