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HELP: No Power

Colombo454

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Hello, So I have a 1987 Johnson 60hp outboard motor that is driving me crazy. It takes like 10 minuets of cranking to get it started when it sits over a week, but then will start mint after that. Also the spark to the middle cylinder is coming and going. I have switched around all the coils, and wires, cleaned all the carbs. Got a new power pack and new spark plugs and its still doing the same thing. I am beginning to think it may be the Timing Base now but would like to get some advice ?? Any help would be much appreciated thanks
 
If an engine doesn't start within six revolutions, there's a problem! Start with the basic trouble shooting procedure:

Remove all spark plugs which should be Champion QL77JC4 plugs gaped at either .030(longer life) or .040.(hotter setting)

Check the compression. What is the psi reading of each cylinder? (If no gauge, get one, they're cheap!)

Rig a spark tested gaped at 7/16", available at any auto parts store... or build the following (below). All s/plugs still removed. The spark should jump that 7/16" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP! Does it? NOTE that the 7/16" gap is important!

(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

You can use a medium size philips screwdriver (#2 I believe) inserted into the spark plug boot spring connector, then hold the screwdriver shank approximately 7/16" away from the block to check the spark or build the following:

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:

..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

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Inspect the stator under the flywheel as closely as possible (beginning of ignition system). There are three large black coils incorporated in that unit that supply approximately 300 AC volts to the powerpack capacitor. Should you see a sticky looking substance dripping down from that stator down on the timer base or the powerhead, replace it as that would result in a AC voltage drop to the pack that in turn would result in weak or non existent ignition.

That engine has a fuel primer solenoid setup... look upon it as an electric choke. To check it, have the red lever over top of the solenoid, aimed at the other end. Remove one of the small hoses of the solenoid from whatever its pushed onto. Pump the fuel primer bulb up hard. Turn the key to the ON position and while observing the end of that small hose, push the key in.... fuel should shoot out of that hose. Does it?

Proper starting method: Pump the fuel primer bulb up hard... Apply a bit of throttle to take the engine off of idle... Turn the key to the START position and push the key in and hold it there until the engine fires and starts. Release the key. If all is well, the engine should start within six revolutions.

Let us know what you find.
 
Thank you very much for the help, however I will be unable to get to the boat again until next weekend. So do you think the timing base is definitely not the problem ?? Only ask because you didn't mention that and I am considering getting one but know your making me think its a stator issue. Also, I am pretty confident that everything is good from the power pack to the plugs because even after switching everything around (coils, plugs, wires) and new power pack It still is only the middle cylinder that has no spark and I verified this by holding the plug against the engine block with it running and can clearly observe spark from cylinder 1 & 3 but not 2. Also, if the stator was the problem would one cylinder just be completely dead or would it come and go ?? Because sometimes the middle cylinder kicks in and the boat has tons of power and will run fine all day and other times it will just have no power. And to add one thing to the cold starting issue, I am confident that is spark related too because even if i shoot some ether into the cylinder, it still takes 10 minuets of cranking before it will run. I was also wondering if you think this issue could be simply timing related ??? Or be a result of a bad rectifier ?? Thank you VERY much again for your time and help
 
The timer base function is to have the sensors trip the SCL switches in the powerpack by applying 1-1/2 volts to the individual switches. Since you are getting a weak spark on that cylinder, it's fair to assume that sensor is functional.

The rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage simply to charge the battery, nothing else.

Yes, if you switched coils and the non firing coil fired, then obviously the coils are okay.
 
How about simply a timing issue, do you think that could be my problem ?? Or perhaps just a cleaning under the flywheel of the stator and Timing base ?? Or are you thinking it's probably the stator that needs to be replaced, and if so do you have one I can purchase ??? Also one more thing to add, the misfiring on the middle cylinder seem to happen much more often when I put a higher octane fuel. Thank you very much again for all your help it is much appreciated.
 
I think that may be the problem, and i will deffinelty check that this weekend when i get to the boat. So just to make sure im understanding you correctly the timing advance should not move until the carbs begin to open ?? and both the timing advancment and carbs opening should both happen once the mark ( raised line ) on the cam is alighned with the roller ?? This sounds very likley to be the problem too because when I first got the boat the idle was really high out of water so I made some adjustments to the linkage adjusters and stop screws to bring it back down unknowing that I was affecting the timing as well. This is my first boat. And thank you very much again for all the advice its really helping me better understand the situation.
 
I dont believe I messed with the engine timing, Just the Sync between the ignition timing and throttle opening like you mentioned when i was trying to turn down my idle.
 
The two plastic linkage nuts on the bottom cables and the two set screws only affect the synch between ignition timing and throttle opening like you mentioned no ???
 
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