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HELP! Evinrude 60, early 80's, starting fault w/ odd symptoms.

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I have a evinrude early 80's 3cyl. Im not sure what model/ year as the engine plate is unreadable which makes repair much harder.

The fault i have is not starting, w/ no fire.
Engine was running and idling w/o load perfect however was bogging under load. The primer solenoid cap was broken and fuel:eek:il mixture wrong. I have rectified both.
Symptoms- Bright blue spark, 100-110psi compression all cyl, after attempting to start numerous times the carbys are all wet with fuel. Plugs are not fouled and gaps preset at 1mm, not sure if this is correct however have tried at 0.7 w/ no change.
Have tried manually pumping throttle w/ no change. Motor turns relatively easy. All coil packs and amplifier are relatively new.
I am bemused as this motor was starting and running perfectly except the load problem until a couple of days ago.

I am a diesel mech so not too sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance!
 
Fuel is under week old, ive tried that, and "start ya bastard" which is similar to aerostart (ether spray), ive used my inductive tester which gives me a great spark reading on all 3 cyl. when i first started testing i was getting 90psi all cyl, then with lubricating oil 120-130 and lowered to 100 once it was removed, is that acceptable for this motor? How pedantic should i be with the ratio, is may be slightly lean. But i understand it still should have some combustion resulting in a rough idle or similar.

Also, just noticed, i have an older 3cyl that has B7HS plugs, and the newer has B9HS-10 plugs. It was running fine with the latter, however ive changed and changed back and no change.

Also, fuel burns. Well.

Thanks for the speedy reply btw, any ideas?
 
Yep. Spark jumps perfect. Battery is brand new, DVA Meter? Is that a term for a multimeter? Im a diesel mech/ auto elec, so i should have most tooling req. I have rewired this motor, so all wiring is perfect and as new, checked for corrosion under all grounds. Im getting 10.8v while cranking at the amplifier. I am using 2 950cca CAT batteries, so its defiantly not the batteries.
Im sure all spark and electrics are fine, do you know if/ how the spark advance works on these motors and how id is adjusted and operated. The only thing i can think of is timing. I have fuel compression and spark. Hence why im unsure about timing..
 
An early 80's outboard 3 cylinder does not have an amplifier on it.---------------------With a single coil and amplifier I would identify this as 70 or 71 model.--------Post some pictures of the motor so we can see / identify what you have.------------Spark advance is accomplished by a " timer base " under the flywheel.--------------If yours has an amplifier as YOU say , then have you looked at the points and anti-reversing spring.
 
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As requested. Im obviously not sure of the year/model of this motor as stated, i simply came to that conclusion after looking at numerous parts manuals.

And no, i have not looked at the points, but am very keen to try anything.

Thanks for the help! Much appreciated!
 
This motor is indeed an early 80's model and does not have an amplifier and therefor no points to look at.-----------The ignition is self energizing from the flywheel magneto, and it does not require voltage from the battery in order to produce spark.----------Have you checked for a sheared flywheel key ( timing ) as the timing may be off.---If key is sheared you will need a FACTORY original replacement.--Did you replace wires from CDI box to the coils and if so are you 100% sure the correct wires are going to the coils ?
 
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I know the regulator is not working the best, however this is an alternator output problem.
I have discovered another symptom that shows it is flooding terribly. If i prime up the engine, crank it a few times, then take off the fuel tank hose at the motor the motor will start and run well after alot of cranking. I assume this is due to a blockage or something jamming open? As it has suddenly happened rather than gradually worsening? Also once it starts, if i reconnect the fuel hose it dies again.. Hence my conclusion.
Where should i look/ start?
As ive very little experience with carburetted petrol motors, Im wondering if it is time to pass the carbys on for rebuild if you all believe that is where the problem will lie. However simple checks and adjustments to further find the cause would be muchly appreciated.

Cheers,
Elliott
 
Evinrude early 80's 3cyl. Not sure what model/ year as the engine plate is unreadable. Is not starting, w/ no fire. Engine was running and idling but bogging under load. Bright blue spark, 100/110 psi compression all cyl. Plugs preset at 1mm, have tried at 0.7 w/no change. I am bemused as this motor was starting and running perfectly except the load problem until a couple of days ago. Thanks in advance!

Bottom line.... Your original problem was that the engine would start and idle normally BUT would bog down when throttle was applied. This is usually cause by one of two problems (or both)... fouled carburetors or a sticking timer base under the flywheel.

Stop looking for a short cut and remove, dismantle, clean, and rebuild the carburetors.

Check the timer based for sticking... spin the prop and put the engine into forward gear, then have someone slowly apply thrrottle while you observe the timer base. It should move smoothly from its retard position all the way up to the full spark advance position without hesitation.

If you've had the flywheel off and did not torque the flywheel nut properly when reinstalling, the key may be sheared which throws the engine out of time. Remove the flywheel and double check the flywheel key. If sheared, replace the key ONLY with the factory replacement (307480), installed with the outer edge vertically witht he engine (straight up and down), not aligned with the crankshaft taper. Torque the flywheel nut to 105 foot pounds.

Checking the spark with an inductive devive or the spark plugs is a waste of time. The spark must be checked on that model by having a 7/16" gap for the spark to jump, and the spark must be a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP! What type spark do you have? No tester? Build the following.

(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)
You can use a medium size philips screwdriver inserted into the spark plug boot spring connector, then hold the screwdriver shank approximately 7/16" away from the block to check the spark or build the following:
A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:
 
..........X1..........X2
.................X..(grd)
..........X3..........X4

The recommended spark plug are Champion QL77JC4 plugs, gapped at either the original recommended gap of .040" or the later revisioned (1990s) gap of .030". One gap or the other may provide improved performance at either idle or full throttle. Try both gaps and decide.

The two (2) batteries you're using... hopefully you have them wired in parallel (12v) and not in series (24v).

NOTE: The stator under the flywheel is a two fold component.

1 - There are a series of small coils that generate AC voltage (alternator) which is supplied to a rectifier which converts the AC voltage to DC voltage to charge the battery. There is no regulator. You can check the rectifier as per the test below.

2 - There are three (3) larger coils, spaced evenly that generate approximately 300v AC to the powerpack capacitor in order to energize the ignition. Should any of those larger coils start to melt down, a voltage drop will exist which results in weak, erratic ignition (spark), and eventually no ignition. Check the stator to make sure that a sticky looking substance is not dripping down from the stator upon the timer base and/or powerhead.


(Small Rectifier Test)
(J. Reeves)

Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.

There may be a core plug on the powerhead (Looks like a small freeze out plug) that may have the model and serial number on it. If so, what are those numbers?

Let us know what you find.
 
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The regualtor, or such on this motor, With the battery removed the exciter received uncontrolled voltage resulting in a uncontrolled output. This ranges from 14v - 38v, however with a battery connected the battery acts as a load lowering this voltage..
I did not remove the flywheel when testing. I will try the seafoam to get the motor to a running state then performance test from there and then assess if the carburettors require rebuild. I live in a remote place in Australia, so its pretty hard for me to get the boat to a marine mechanic to do this in short time..

Thanks for the help!
 
.I live in a remote place in Australia, so its pretty hard for me to get the boat to a marine mechanic to do this in short time..Thanks for the help!

And that's why we go into detail as much as possible so as to guide you thru the proper trouble shooting and repair procedure so that you can do it yourself and save a few $$$.
 
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