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Fuels E5 and E10

skipper47

Contributing Member
Hi Guys,

I am in the UK and E5 and E10 fuels are being introduced into our country, I believe they are already
in use in the States and the EU.
I have 3 old Johnson outboards, a 20hp, 40hp and a 50hp all of early seventies vintage, what is your
advice on using these new fuels please?

Thanks for any advice,

George.
 
Check & see if premium fuel grades contain ethanol? In Canada, 91 octane is ethanol free, 89 is up to 5%, & regular (87), has up to 10%.
Ethanol is an alcohol, a great solvent, keeps things clean. That’s why newer autos, with 300K have never needed fuel injectors replaced/cleaned. It also absorbs water, so is very good with moving SMALL a mounts of water through the system. If you’re not familiar with phase separation, Google has very good technical information. That could be a problem if your engines don’t see much use, & fuel sits for lengthy periods, especially in England’s rather damp climate.
Ethanol is very hard on fuel lines, gaskets, seals, etc that were not designed to be immune to it.
I would pay the extra £ and only use Premium fuel if you can ascertain they do not contain ethanol. If you are forced to use it, stay with E5, don’t let fuel sit unused for more than a few weeks, & change your fuel lines to E safe tubing.
 
I don’t know the UK regulations regarding labelling, here if it says E10, the pumps are posted, “may contain up to 10% ethanol.”
Shell V-Power is stated ethanol free, but after digging, & phoning,( senior product managers, not the local dealer), I was told by my preferred brand, that “Premium” contained no ethanol. The marinas here all sell 91 octane Premium, (at $1.60/L- I know, it’s cheap compared to your prices), in order to stay away from ethanol.
interstingly, this manager also told me they don’t actually order 3 different concoctions, they only receive 2, & that mid grade, (89 octane), is actually the same stuff as their Premium.
I changed out all the fuel lines in a ‘95 Seadoo, as the original grey lines were deteriorating inside, & I do run regular (E10), if I’m going to burn it right away. Later in the season, when the water gets colder, I stick with Premium, & no ethanol, as it might sit for a couple weeks.
I NEVER winter store any of my boats, lawn tractor, or other small engines with ethanol fuels. Premium, with stabilizer, I’ve never had any problems.
That said, I only have one 70’s vintage kicker, an Evinrude 6HP. I’m not sure what the float/internals are for that vintage, so I’ve only used ethanol free in it.
item last- when you store your engines for the winter, pull the fuel line off, then fog the engine as it runs dry. If you forget to run it dry, most carbs have a drain plug, pull that & drain residual fuel from the bowl.
These practices have kept my 22 year old chainsaw running like new.
 
Don’t even think about doing that. A 2 gallon jug of gasoline, on a wobbly stool, with a concrete floor, & a natural gas water heater that uses a pilot light.
One slip, the jug smashes on the floor...heater kicks in...your house explodes.
Secondly, once E10 phase separates, the fuel is useless. It cannot be reconstituted. Google “phase separation ethanol fuels”.
Ethanol has very good anti knock properties, by removing it you now have gasoline with an octane rating below what your owners manual calls for.
some suggest starting out with high octane, that is also ridiculous. Premium (high octane) fuels don’t have ethanol to begin with, why not just purchase the premium no ethanol fuel & use it?
As a kids science experiment, doing this with a litre maybe OK. Trying it with hundreds of litres for a years boating, & wrecking your engine because of useless fuel is insanity.
 
Change your fuel lines and rebuild your fuel pump with ethanol resistant parts and go boating. And if you have cork floats get rid of those and get new ones.If you store it use a good marine grade fuel stabilizer and don't worry about it. You may want an inline filter on your fuel line ethanol will clean the fuel system. I run nothing but e10 in my 9.9-70 hp motors have never had phase seperation or any other problems. There are people on here who will doom and gloom about ethanol.
 
Correct. I run E10 quite a bit, unless the boat is sitting for extended periods, ie winter storage.
I only advised non ethanol for his particular applications as he is running ‘70’s engines, & I don’t know what sort of carb gaskets, or floats are in those.
if he doesn’t use much fuel in a season, it’s simpler to just use premium vs changing lines, carbs floats etc.
 
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