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"I understand J stands for Joh

"I understand J stands for Johnson, but I bought an Evenrude and the number starts with a J....
or at least I thought I bought a Johnson..."
 
maybe somebody changed the pow

maybe somebody changed the powerhead.

what #s does it have on the welsh plug?

what #s does it have on the transom bracket?
 
"sorry,looks like i got distra

"sorry,looks like i got distracted and should have said..........if the serial # starts with a j on the bracket someone may have changed the hood, same thing different name.....although a changed powerhead is possible too.

there should be a plug on the top of the motor about the size of a quater it will have the model #. that tells the year and hp."
 
"<blink>what #s does it have o

"<blink>what #s does it have on the welsh plug?

what #s does it have on the transom bracket?</blink>

The plate on the port side of the transom bracket will have the model number and serial number on it,

If you find a core plug with a number on it it may be the model number but dont hold your breath.

The link David Real has posted shows you the form of the model numbers which until 1980 was different for Johnson and Evinrude and an explanation of the common numbering system used from 1980.
I dont know if a serial number beginning with a J means Johnson or not, but if you have found the serial number then the model number should be there as well. That will tell all. A post 1980 model number beginning with a J is a Johnson though."
 
"actually the link goes back t

"actually the link goes back to 1922 on johnson and 1913 on evinrude, if you look through the table of contents..........although some of the old #s are harder to find if they are even listed.
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i have seen a larger powerhead put on a unit that had #s for a smaller powerhead---upgrade......thought about doing it myself from 115 to 140 but its illegal and im already almost too fast for my boat."
 
"Guy I'm affraid I got bad

"Guy I'm affraid I got bad news this is a pic of the ser. plate and a pic of the motor I bought this motor from a dealer i Florida on E-bay
(I live in Arizona) for $4000 thinking it was a year 2000, 200HP Evenrude and this is what I got...
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"J200TXECM

J - Johnson
200

"J200TXECM

J - Johnson
200 - horsepower
T - Trim/Tilt + Electric Start
X - 25" Extra long shaft
EC - year code (1998)
M - Model run suffix (no usable info)

Somebody swapped out the hood with a Evinrude - could have been for a couple reason - most probably the original was damaged.

Regardless of whether it was a Johnson or an Evinrude the two are exactly the same (E200 or J200TXECM) - just dressed with different stickers.

NADA pegs the retail value of the Johnson at $2200 and the Evinrude at $2280. Why the difference on the exact same motor? Prestiege - Evinrude is just the more desireable name to have hangin' off the back in most opinions....

And that is exactly why I am turning my recently acquired 1986, 140 Johnson into an Evinrude (with a paint job to Evinrude silver from Johnson white and a new set of decals) - just would rather have an Ev hangin' off the back...."
 
Take the frigging thing back.

Take the frigging thing back. Quite apart from the fact that its a Johnson not an Evinrude its' 2 years older than you were told and he has ripped you off to the tune of $1800.

Accept a refund of $1800 if a '98 Johnson is acceptable to you.

Don't you have any consumer protection laws in your country?

Tell him you'll name him on all the internet sites you can find.
 
"I'm going to call my fina

"I'm going to call my financial intitution where I got my loan to buy the motor and see if I have any kind of fraud/insurance coverage for this type of issue, in my invoice it clearly states Evenrude 200Hp, I’m going to call the company tomorrow also and see what the guy has to say.

ANY ADVICE IS WELCOME..."
 
"well a reputable dealer shoul

"well a reputable dealer should have known what he had and was selling............if you ask me its false advertising.

now if you are happy with the motor and have checked it out i would see if he will give you the difference back-----of the 2 yr age difference.

i would run a compression test, spark and check the lower unit by pulling the bottom fill plug to check for water contamination......if you could start it that would be great."
 
"the worst thing is that I jus

"the worst thing is that I just dumped $2409 on parts and installation, the motor runs, I have not put it in the water yet and granted it is very clean and stuff, but even when the Johnsons and Evenrudes are the same thing I paid for a Evenrude and my understanding is that it was a 2000, I just dumped over $6000 dollars on my boat you know just trying to do the right thing...."
 
wow! maybe you can get some of

wow! maybe you can get some of that back.


just don tforget you catch more flys with honey than vinegar ...........i know i would be p***** off too but if you start off with a bad attitude when you talk to the dealer you may not get very far.

who knows it could have been a mistake.
 
"Yeah ... I know, the good thi

"Yeah ... I know, the good thing about it its that the boat is solid, it is old, but solid as a rock, it is a 1969 Stamas, I just re-upholstered it so it looking good, and the wife said that the motor would be my Christmas present, but I’m just bummed about the year and model discrepancy."
 
"Yes, it is two years older th

"Yes, it is two years older than advertised. I would want something back for that.

Otherwise, there is essentially no difference between a 2000 or a 98 model - but that really isn't the point.

If the "dealer" you bought it from values their reputation, they should be willing to work something out. However, something as simple as confirming the year should be child's play for anyone in the industry - unless they were intentionally trying to deceive the buyer.

If this was bought in a private sale, from "some guys" garage, you can expect that the information may not be entirely correct which is usually why a privately sold motor will bring somewhat less money than one from a dealer (they are supposed to take away some of the uncertainty).

A good lesson here - if anyone is ever buying something "sight unseen", at the very least, request a serial/model number to independantly confirm what is being advertised..."
 
"Just as an afterthough, re-re

"Just as an afterthough, re-reading the posts. I did provide the NADA numbers. On anyone's scale those do tend to be quite low.

A 1998, 200 horse motor, with good compression, a sound lower unit, and in decent cosmetic shape would generally go for 3000+ in the used market (and upwards of 4000 would not be unreasonable) and more than that if it had waterpump/carb kits/VRO replacement etc and had never been rebuilt or had "just" been rebuilt.

This is a large motor and it is 10 years old. A rebuild is definately in it's future if it hasn't been done already. That's always another factor to keep in mind when determining the value of a used motor...

4K sounds a little steep to me for this particular model - but I'm stingy (ok cheap)


I recently purchased a 1986, 140, with good compression, new VRO, new T/T pump and starter for $600 in a private sale - similar motors from a dealer were listed at $2300-2500. I have only mentioned that to show the variations you can see in price depending on how hard you look and what gurantees you are willing to accept (none to maybe a 6 month warranty)..."
 
"I talked to the dealer today

"I talked to the dealer today and he told me that the powerhead is newer than the lower motor, he said that the motor was Re-manufactured by Johnson/Evenrude, the Welsh plug says RPM or RPH followed by 431798... any ideas???"
 
is the a way to find out the d

is the a way to find out the date it was reman??? the dealer said that be believes it has less than 100 HRS on it
 
Maybe you got a really good de

Maybe you got a really good deal after all. A reman usually runs between 2500 and 3000 bucks for the powerhead alone....
 
"yeah, I might gotten a good d

"yeah, I might gotten a good deal, is not that I regret it, it was just disappointing to see that I got a 98 instead of a 2000 and it is not a Evenrude but a Johnson, but I'll keep you posted of the talks with the dealer
I won’t put out the name of the dealer until I know I got screwed for sure, it wouldn’t not be fair for the dealer..."
 
"im not trying to pick at you,

"im not trying to pick at you, but even if it was rebuilt in 2008 doesnt make it a 2008......you know what i mean!....and him telling you its a 2000 makes me wonder if that was when it was rebuilt.

then he said it had less than a 100 hrs......did he know when it was rebuilt?


i would be asking things like:
who rebuilt it? was it his shop that did the work? will he stand behind it? does he have any documentation/proof that it has been rebuilt other than the welsh plug? why was the hood changed?"
 
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