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" I have a 351 Ford, 300hp tha

" I have a 351 Ford, 300hp that I want to put in a 25.5 wellcraft cruiser. I've been told that:
1.I'm under powered (this boat originally came with 260hp merc./ alpha I combo)
2.I won't be able to put a Bravo series stern drive because there isn't a bell housing/flywheel that'll allow putting in the Bravo with the Ford
and
3.If I opt for an Alpha I set-up, the parts for the bell housing/flywheel are hard to find.

Any one have any suggestions?

Thanks!!! "
 
" Where did you get a 300hp 35

" Where did you get a 300hp 351?
Is this a Windsor or a Cleveland?
If the boat came with a 260 hp engine, and you want to put a 300hp in how does a 40hp gain make the boat underpowered?
I'm using a 454 330hp on an Alpha 1.
Parts for a small block ford are all over EBay.
Model 888 has the bellhousing you need. "
 
" Lugoc says he is underpowere

" Lugoc says he is underpowered, and that the boat was originally delivered with a 260hp merc./ alpha I combo. I suspect this would mean he is not currently running a 260hp, and that his expectation is that by going to a 300hp he will eliminate the underpower situation.

At 300hp I would suspect a 351C unless it is a really built Windsor.

Lugoc, is this a big block or a small block?

If the intake is narrow from side to side and long from front to back (about half as wide as it is long) then it is a small block and 300hp out of it would be quite an accomplishment. It could happen but it would take a lot of work, aftermarket and machined parts, and I would suggest that if you dont know and trust whoever built it then you could find yourself frustrated later on. Motors that are built for extreame performance do not usually fair well over the long haul.

On the other hand, if the intake is almost as wide as it is long then what you have there should be 351C which is a big block. 300hp out of that one is certainly within reason.

As for the task of attaching it to a lower unit, I can't speak to that issue. "
 
WoW! Thanks for the fast resp

WoW! Thanks for the fast response gentlemen!
Here's what I know:
1. Motor was built by marine mechanic for his own use. He has several power/racing boats and found himself selling one of the hulls and had a leftover engine. He put it on a dyno and showed us the paperwork that the machine prints out (for whatever that's worth...)

Here's what I don't know:
1. How do I tell a Cleveland from a Winsor and why is it important...
2.What's a model 888?

Sorry for the ignorance but I'm new to boating...
Thanks!!!
 
" Taking a look at the intake

" Taking a look at the intake as I described above is a good way of distinguishing between a big block and a small block.

On a big block engine the intake (the part that the carberator is mounted on) will be almost as wide (from one head to the other) as it is long (from the front of the motor to the back)

On a small block the intake will only be about half as wide (from one head to the other) as it is long (from front to back).

The reason it makes a difference, is because as I said 300hp out of a small block can be done but requires a lot of work, a lot of aftermarket parts, and quite frankly only someone who is into extream speed such as a racer would care do do such a thing.

If the guy who built it is a racer and he built this motor for racing, and it dyno'd at 300hp then it is probably a really hot 351 windsor which is a small block. A big block built by a racer for racing would likely turn more than 300hp.

The concern I would have with it, and if he is a very good mechanic and he really did build it for himself he probably has it covered, is that when you beef up the top-end of a motor to produce way more power than the motor was originally designed for then you are going to stress the bottom end.

If this motor does not have four bolt mains then that added power is going to really test them every time you throttle up. If he did not go with an after market crank then its the same story.
Also if he stroked it, or bored it, then that changes the overall cubic inche displacement (usually to accomodate increased fuel consumption). There would likely be an aftermarket cam with increased lift and duration over that of the stock setup, along with aftermarket intake, carb(s), modifications to the heads, and any number of home grown changes all in the name of squeezing out a little more power.

All of these things are fine if your interest is going fast for that next race, but each and every one puts you at a slightly elevated risk of failure over the long haul. They will also offer poor fuel GPH because economy was the last thing that was important. The whole idea is dump and burn as much fuel as possible. The typical racer is going to rebuild/replace his motors frequently simply because they are a short life design. If you do not know this fella, really well, I would have to wonder if this is not just last years racing motor.

If it is a big block, then cranking 300hp would only suggest a well built motor perhaps with a little minor tinkering and should probably be ok for quite a long time as long as it is not abused. But, that would be SO "not like" a racer.

Just my two cents. Hope it all works out for you. "
 
Thanks For the advise and the

Thanks For the advise and the words of encouragement. I'm going to pull the carb off to check out if it's a long or short block and then I'll decide if I want to sell it or take a risk with it. One thing that make me think its a long block is that it has a two barrel carb as opposed to a four. I'm thinking that to get 300hp out of a short block you would have to go to a four barrel carb to squeeze out every last hp. Well I guess i'll find out tommorrow. Thanks again.
 
" No need to pull the carb. Th

" No need to pull the carb. The intake should be easy enough to see without doing that. If it is a 2V carb, and the motor dyno'd at 300hp then like you I would suspect perhaps a big block that was not gone into and built out as described for the small block scenario above.

A big block pushing 300hp should be a good tight motor if this is the case. "
 
Good News!! It's a big bl

Good News!! It's a big block so we've decided to keep it. Before we start to look for an Alpha I that'll work with this motor I'd like to ask if Volvo makes a stern drive that I could use with this 351 Ford. I'd really like to go with a Bravo series but I've been told that Mercruiser stopped using Ford in 1977 and there's no way to mate a Bravo to the flywheel bellhousing. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
 
" I know very little about out

" I know very little about outdrives. My experience with the ford motors is in the realm of automotive applications. I have only had one I/O. I am more of an outboard kind of guy. I only offered what I did on this because I know a bit about the ford motors.

Since you seem to have confirmed that it is a big block, and you were told it was a 351 I am also going to mention this. Ford put out not only the 351Cleveland, which is a true 351 cubic inch motor, but also what they called a 351 Modified 400, which is basically the 351 Cleveland block that they stepped up to 400 cubic inches. This could also be what you have there. There is very little difference in the what they look like. "
 
" I am looking for tune up spe

" I am looking for tune up specs on my ford 351 windsor. timing mark, points gap and plug gap. any ideas, thanks "
 
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