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97' Mariner 6HP intermittent start issue

with_a_twist

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I've got a 1997 Mariner 6Hp that up until recently it has been EXTREMELY reliable, starting first or second pull. I use it daily(live on my boat and run to shore a couple times a day) in the past 2 weeks it has started giving me intermittent issues starting in the morning, then tonight after running just 3 hours earlier she decided not to start again. Its not every morning but the three times it has given me problems it was cooler than it has been for the past 2 months...

I had thought it was finicky about the cooler weather but tonight i took the cover off and she was warmer than the air by far...

I can't find a manual for it but need to get her fixed soon, she is my only transportation to shore.
 
How old are the sparkplugs?

You are correct - the portable Merc/Mariners are ultra-reliable, not alot breaks on them.

These are my "bread/butter" motors. Some of the most common issues I see with these are:

1) old sparkplugs - after a couple of years they need to be changed. Although these have Merc's Thunderbolt 4 ignition they use coils that produce less power than Merc's (standard) coils. Just my opinion, but (think) this results in a weaker spark/worn out plug quicker than is normally expected on an outboard.

2) cracked coils - OEM coils develop small hairline cracks after a number of years. Very difficult to see unless you remove the coils, wipe them down and really look hard. However, if it is bad coils this is the perfect opportunity to cure part of the first problem I note. Sierra makes an aftermarket coil for Merc's. To save money they do not differentiate between the high and lower power coils - they only build the higher power types and they will fit both style of mounts (and yes, the small mercs can run the high power coils - used to be about a 100 buck "retrofit" from Merc which was nothing more than a pair of coils and a "holder" for them - the portable fasten on with a bolt right through the middle of the coil - the sierra models also have the hole so no holder is required). The higher power coils significantly improve cold starting and smooth out the idle - and as an added bonus, they are about half the cost of a replacement OEM coil.

3) bad intake gasket - not the one at the carb, but the one back near the head (ok, not really a head, it's just a water jacket cover). Standing behind the motor, on the right hand side there is a long rectangular cover (about 4'ish inches long) held on by 3 bolts (on a remote control model the middle bolt also acts to hold the linkage to the powerhead). The little gasket under that will blow out over time effectively turning these motors into a "1 cylinder". The indication that this is the problem is often a slimy/goopy/oily mess in the lower pan on that side of the motor which is the left over oil after the gas has evaporated from the mix when it's blown out of the intake.

4) bad upper crank (oil) seal - there is a seal under the flywheel on the upper crank. It's a combination of a soft metal race, rubber and a round curly spring. The idea is the spring keeps the rubber cinched around the crank where it exits the powerhead, and the rubber is attached to the race which keeps it all in place. Of course, the rubber wears out, the spring breaks loose and you end up with your oil/gas/air mix (for the upper cylinder) escaping from under the flywheel. This is often detected by a heavy film on the powerhead - looks like it has been sprayed down with fogging oil.

So if your fuel is good and there are no blockages, and as suggested, the ignition tests out ok, one of these (common) issues may be your problem...
 
It took this long for it to act up again. Well put a new plug in it and it did great for a few days, but now I am back to square one. But I think I have it narrowed down some. Tried to start it last night, on the dock, she had only been shut down 2 hours, so she wasn't even cold yet, no go. This morning same thing. So I took the plug out, though not dripping, it was wet so am I assuming correctly she is flooding?

After finding that tried everything I could think of, she's not starting, going to let her sit a couple hours and try it again. Don't have a volt meter and I am currently stuck on the boat! So no chance of getting one...
 
So I took the plug out, though not dripping, it was wet so am I assuming correctly she is flooding?
Not necessarily if there is no spark. Did it pop at all when trying to start it?
 
Yes, loss of spark, particularly when its been running (so it's warm) could indicate a bad bobbin in the stator or trigger. Trigger issues can be like phantom's - never showing up when you are testing, but as noted above, the entire ignition must be tested.

(trick- a hair dryer directed under the flywheel is a simple way to simulate a warm/hot engine for testing purposes)..
 
Well I just got off the phone with Mercury Mariner... Argh! When I bought this motor I was told it was a 97 6HP, according to Mercury that is not the case at all. The serial number comes up as a 6hp, but when this little motor was made they were restructuring and according to them there is a lot of confusion around that time period with this particular motor. Figures.

Anyways, according to their records it is a 5hp and is a 1995 model, BUT was made in 1994 so it still carries the 1994 model parts... I was looking at the diagrams of it and things just didn't match up, I'm glad I called.

So this afternoon I pulled the carb off and had a peek, it was a mess, full of crap! I cleaned it the best I could and put it back together, and ordered a carb kit. Even if the carb isn't the problem it was well past the time it should have been done!

Tomorrow I will test the coil, however, after going through the CDI electronics guide I find my motor is not listed... argh again! So I am searching now for test procedures for it...
 
Just get that carb nice and clean--with new, correctly adjusted parts--and she'll be fine. I highly doubt there's anything wrong with the ignition--they usually run or not.

Jeff
 
So is it a single cylinder 2 stroke that you have there?????

Sure is...

This all started when the weather cooled off so this morning I went out and pulled the cover off and let it sit in the sun, low and behold about 1pm I go out pull it once and it fires... I bet I pulled that thing 4o times yesterday and got nothing, so after I ran an errand or 2 I came back and let it sit until just after sunset aund went and tried it, no go... Very frustrating!
 
I have never pulled one of these apart - they are not really a "Merc". Either Yami or Tohatsu built these (even though Yamaha built the powerheads for 25 horse and under portables, they never produced a block with a "head", as these models have which my guess leans towards Tohatsu) and they didn't initially sell these in Canada (where I am).

Additionally, these have a "Japanese" ignition system on them and may have some quirks/issues that most of us on this "Merc board" are not all that familiar with.

You may want to post up on the Tohatsu forum and see if "Tohatsu Guru" is around. Alvin will know right off if this is Tohat' and can maybe give you some advice as to how to proceed...
 
Back then they were made by Yamaha...

with that said, 3 days in a row I have gone out in the morning, pulled the cover off and let it sit in the sun until noonish... Its started every time.
 
Alot of the Merc powerheads were Yami's, but these little single cylinder models look an awful lot like an older Tohatsu - and Merc has been working with Tohatsu for a little over 20 years now (even when Yami was building 90% of Merc's powerheads).

Additionally, the service manuals for these were not included in the master set (that covered this time period) even though these (4 and 5 horse, singles) were held out to be "Merc's"...
 
Yeah I have had very bad luck finding the service manual. I am going to do a more indepth search when I get some time, but first the carb kit on monday.

It started fine today, did the usual, let it sit in the sun and warm up and then started it... will see what happens after the carb kit...
 
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