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"I'm looking for help with

"I'm looking for help with a 70's era Evinrude 6hp. The serial number is CD-23E and the model number J2659192. I've checked websites for Evinrude, various Evinrude parts, etc but cannot find any specific information for this little beast. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Don"
 
"re: concerning my previous po

"re: concerning my previous post about the 70's era Evinrude 6hp-- a little more info: carb is rebuilt, have fuel to the carb, two new plugs with SMALL spark when pulling starter rope, will run for a few seconds with starter fluid then dies. Won't even try to start w/o it. Help? Thanks, Don"
 
"Is it flooding? Plugs wet aft

"Is it flooding? Plugs wet after trying to start? If so, maybe your carb is giving too much gas, or maybe your spark is not hot enough. Starting fluid - ether - is more flammable than gas, and can also dry off plugs, allowing the short run you mentioned even if plugs too wet).

If plugs are bone dry after much attempted starting with the choke on (closed), you proly have no fuel to engine from carb.

This may not be a 'standard' or 'approved' troubleshooting procedure, I don't know.

To see if an engine has a no-fuel problem, small squirts (one or two CCs) of fuel can be added with a small spoon, squirt bottle or a syringe. If the air intake is accessible and doesn’t slant downward, put it there. If not, pull the plugs and put a CC or 2 in each cylinder then replace the plugs.

Start with choke off (open) and wide open throttle as if it were flooded (which it very well may be at this point), but be ready to throttle down immediately to avoid over-revving if/when it starts.

If it runs then quits, you likely have a fuel delivery problem. Also, in systems with a fuel pump, occasionally this short run will "prime" the fuel system and it will run fine after this.

If it won't start after many pulls and your plugs are wet, blow them dry, give it a coulple pulls to help blow out any excess gas, replace plugs and try again. If still no run, then its proly ignition problem.

I don't use starter fluid for anything as I've heard it can damage engines. Don't know if its true, but gas is so easy and cheap..."
 
"Starting fluid has no lubrica

"Starting fluid has no lubricating properties, DO NOT use it! Use pre-mix in a spray bottle.

Engine runs as long as you force fuel in carburetor indicates either that fuel is not entering float chamber, fuel is not flowing thru carburetor, or slow speed needle valve is not adjusted properly.

Thousands of parts in my remaining stock. Not able to list them all. Let me know what you need and I'll look it up for you. Visit my eBay store at:

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store"
 
"I was referring to straight g

"I was referring to straight gas in a little plastic squeeze bottle with a pointed tip, but PREMIX in a SPRAY bottle - now that you have pointed it out, is the obvious solution (no pun intended). Thanks very much for that! A "digitally-controlled, manually-metered fuel injector". And no less.

As for the possibility of the slow speed needle valve not adjusted correctly, I'm curious, if the choke were closed, would this cause enough vacuum in the carb to draw gas through the main jet into the venturi (assuming the bowl is full) allowing the engine to run, but then cause poor or no idle after the choke were opened?"
 
"A closed choke butterfly woul

"A closed choke butterfly would cause fuel to be drawn into the crankcase via a route other than the slow speed passageway.

What is the model number of that engine? Needed to pinpoint its design. If it has adjustable slow speed needle valves.........

(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

Note 1: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.

Note 2: If the engine should be a three (3) cylinder engine with three (3) carburetors, start the adjustment sequence with the center carburetor.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

Thousands of parts in my remaining stock. Not able to list them all. Let me know what you need and I'll look it up for you. Visit my eBay store at:

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store"
 
This is the most help I've

This is the most help I've ever gotten using the internet! I've answered the posts by email but when I get this motor running (or not) I will post it here so maybe it will help someone else. Thanks!!!
 
"osted on Thursday, March 11,

"osted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 11:16 am:

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I'm looking for help with a 70's era Evinrude 6hp. The serial number is CD-23E and the model number J2659192. I've checked websites for Evinrude, various Evinrude parts, etc but cannot find any specific information for this little beast. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Don"
 
"My request for the model numb

"My request for the model number (CD-23E) thingy.... my apologies (Thanks Jamie). Was in the process of answering other posts on this site and posts on a few other sites. Got this one mixed with another (it happens).

However, the model number of CD-23E is a 1966 6hp Johnson, not a Evinrude."
 
"Joe,
I cannot find the eng

"Joe,
I cannot find the engine model number anywhere on the engine, housing, shaft, nada. It's got one carb, two plugs, two coils, two condensors, and two sets of points. The plugs that were in it were Champion J8C (bought it from local marine dealer like that). I changed those out with J6C's this weekend. Set the points at .020 and the plugs at .030. The coils and spark plug wires were put in last summer. Took everything off and metered the plug wires, coils, etc and all read good. Removed and cleaned the carb again; appears to be in good working condition. Quit using starter fluid after the posts I received, now using the gas mixture suggested. Getting small spark from both plugs but not the 1/4 inch arc someone told me I should get. After cranking more times than I care to think about and checking the plugs every 6 or 7 pulls, the plugs don't look to me as wet as they should be. Getting fuel from the tank all the way to carb bowl, not sure if it's getting to the engine though. I'm beginning to think this engine would make a nice anchor. Don"
 
"Just to clarify, before you s

"Just to clarify, before you said it would run a few seconds on starting fluid.

Are you getting the same result with a couple squirts of gas mixture into the carb and attempting to start with the choke open and throttle wide open?

If not, are you squirting enough gas mix into the carb, a couple squirts at a time in between start attemts, to eventually make the plugs very wet?

If its a no fuel issue, taking it incrementally from dry to flooded, trying to start it at each increment of adding fuel, should eventually hit a correct mixture where the correct amount of fuel is present to make it run.

OK. That's all I know to ask, back to the experts..."
 
"Joe & Bonden----
Thank

"Joe & Bonden----
Thanks very much for all of the help. I finally got the o/b running. The magic number of turns of the idle setting out from stop was 3 3/4. At some point in removing the carb for cleaning (numerous times) the float had stuck and I wasn't getting fuel to the bowl. Fixed that and started putting small amounts of fuel into the intake and, starting at 1 1/2 turns of the idle adjust, would crank on the starter rope. Adjusting out at 1/8 turn intervals, I finally got it to start and stay running (rough) at 3 1/2 turns. After adjusting in and out in that area it smoothed out at 3 3/4 turns. Once again, thank y'all for the great help. Don"
 
Re-read my 2nd original post a

Re-read my 2nd original post above (carb adjustment). Your stated final adjustment of 3-3/4 turns out needed in order to start the engine and to keep it running indicates that you still have a problem.
 
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