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35 hp Johnson shakes

jeffm

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"My 1979 Johnson 35 hp has giv

"My 1979 Johnson 35 hp has given years of great service until recently, it shakes violently as rpms are increased. It shakes once under throttle and smooths out, shakes hard and repeats. Compression and firing seem fine as it runs great in neutral and reverse.

Thanks for any advice!"
 
You need to check compression

You need to check compression with a guage and spark with a spark tester. Does it run better if you pump the primer while problem occours?
 
"No, the motor seems to run so

"No, the motor seems to run solid, perhaps a compression test is in order, however it idles fine, no fouled plugs etc. I am thinking gears?
I ran it at idle speed fishing last night, no problem there, only shook under load, gear lube is full etc.

Do you know about a "spun" prop?

Thanks for your input! (this is the first warm weekend we have had in Detroit all summer, and of course I am apprehensive to hit the water.)"
 
"The shaking, as you put it. I

"The shaking, as you put it. If when this takes place, it feels like the engine is hitting something......

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.

Thousands of parts in my remaining stock. Not able to list them all. Let me know what you need and I'll look it up for you. Visit my eBay store at:

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store"
 
"Thanks Joe!} I will start pul

"Thanks Joe!} I will start pulling it apart and get the appropriate parts ordered. Sounds exactly like what is happening, a spun prop is wishful thinking."
 
"Keep us informed a to what th

"Keep us informed a to what the outcome is.

A spun prop (slipping hub)gives no sensation of hitting anything. The scenario in this case would be, at a slow rpm, the propeller grabs the water and propels the boat, BUT at the higher rpms, the water resistance overcomes the gripping action of the failing vulcanized rubber. This results in the bronze hub turning at engine rpm BUT the propeller does not.

The effect here is that the engine simply races away and the boat slows down. There is no feeling of having the engine hitting any underwater object."
 
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