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1999 johnson 150 HP Engine trouble

cburruss

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I recently bought a 17.5' Javline Renegade 18; 1999. The motor ran great for the test drive and for 2 days after wards (each short trips w/o noticing anything irregular. I got the boat home and had the "bright Idea" to change the fuel line to "prevent trouble". Afterwards the boat will start right up and idles fine but if I try to take off right away it bogs the engine down and shuts off. I've noticed that if I idle for a few mins the engine will plane out fine and act as it should. After I get up on plan I can shut engine down and restart and not notice this. It seems to have some type of gas pressure leak I guess. I've checked the line into the tank and onto the motor I don't believe they are the problem. It only seems to happen if I sit and fish for a few minutes. I bought a new primer ball hoping it broke the old 1 replacing the lines. Have any ideas or ways to trouble shoot this problem?


Thanks in advance.
 
There's a bunch of fuel lines on any rig/engine.... I'm going to assume you're speaking of the main fuel supply line from the fuel primer bulb to the built in tank, and from the bulb to the engine?

That should have no effect of the performance of the engine.... however coincidences happen. It's possible that the Anti Siphon valve at the built in fuel tank... the fitting that the fuel hose connects to is stuck in the open position. This would let fuel siphon back into the tank when the engine is shut down.... check it.

More info about that valve:
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(Fuel Anti Siphon Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Many of the later OMC V/6 engines incorporate a fuel restriction warning via a vacuum device attached to the powerhead. If the engine overheats, or if you have a fuel restriction, the warning is the same.... a steady constant beep.

NOTE... Only the V/6 & V/8 engines have the above "Fuel Restriction Warning". The warning horn will not sound on the other models.

The fact that a engine is not overheating, but the warning horn sounds off with a constant steady beep, and that the rpms drop drastically would indicate that the engine is starving for fuel due to a fuel restriction. Check the built in fuel tank where the rubber fuel line attaches to the tank fitting. That fitting is in all probability a "Anti Siphon" valve which is notorious for sticking in a semi closed position. It will be aluminum, about 2" long, and the insides of it will consist of a spring, a ball, and a ball seat. If this valve exists, remove it, knock out those inner components which will convert it to a straight through fitting, then re-install it. Hopefully that cures the problem.

The above procedure will cure a restriction problem with the anti siphon valve as stated. BUT, it may also allow fuel to drain backwards to the fuel tank when the engine is not running (siphoning backwards) due to the fact that the carburetors/fuel pump etc are higher than the fuel tank. This condition is not an absolute as the valves in the fuel primer bulb usually prevent this backwards siphoning problem. However.... if this does take place, the cure would be to install a new anti siphon valve.

NOTE: There has been cases when the output valve in the fuel primer bulb would come apart, and the inner portion of the valve would actually reverse itself and be drawn back into the primer bulb's output valve body. This in effect would create a shut off valve and result in a fuel restriction. If this is the case, you should be able to feel something laying in the bottom of the primer bulb when held horizontally.

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There's a bunch of fuel lines on any rig/engine.... I'm going to assume you're speaking of the main fuel supply line from the fuel primer bulb to the built in tank, and from the bulb to the engine?

That should have no effect of the performance of the engine.... however coincidences happen. It's possible that the Anti Siphon valve at the built in fuel tank... the fitting that the fuel hose connects to is stuck in the open position. This would let fuel siphon back into the tank when the engine is shut down.... check it.

More info about that valve:
********************
(Fuel Anti Siphon Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Many of the later OMC V/6 engines incorporate a fuel restriction warning via a vacuum device attached to the powerhead. If the engine overheats, or if you have a fuel restriction, the warning is the same.... a steady constant beep.

NOTE... Only the V/6 & V/8 engines have the above "Fuel Restriction Warning". The warning horn will not sound on the other models.

The fact that a engine is not overheating, but the warning horn sounds off with a constant steady beep, and that the rpms drop drastically would indicate that the engine is starving for fuel due to a fuel restriction. Check the built in fuel tank where the rubber fuel line attaches to the tank fitting. That fitting is in all probability a "Anti Siphon" valve which is notorious for sticking in a semi closed position. It will be aluminum, about 2" long, and the insides of it will consist of a spring, a ball, and a ball seat. If this valve exists, remove it, knock out those inner components which will convert it to a straight through fitting, then re-install it. Hopefully that cures the problem.

The above procedure will cure a restriction problem with the anti siphon valve as stated. BUT, it may also allow fuel to drain backwards to the fuel tank when the engine is not running (siphoning backwards) due to the fact that the carburetors/fuel pump etc are higher than the fuel tank. This condition is not an absolute as the valves in the fuel primer bulb usually prevent this backwards siphoning problem. However.... if this does take place, the cure would be to install a new anti siphon valve.

NOTE: There has been cases when the output valve in the fuel primer bulb would come apart, and the inner portion of the valve would actually reverse itself and be drawn back into the primer bulb's output valve body. This in effect would create a shut off valve and result in a fuel restriction. If this is the case, you should be able to feel something laying in the bottom of the primer bulb when held horizontally.

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Thanks for advice. I've taken the boat out several more times and have the same results. Before the last trip I removed the live well and pulled the gas tank back to inspect it. I checked the fittings on main, vent, and fill line. It seems likely to me that the fuel is draining back from motor already allowing for easy start but not allowing for higher rpms, though I can put in nutural and Rev motor and it seems to speed up wait time. It doesn't seem to choke or kill motor. Thought it coughs sometimes blowing out air. I aslo during replacing original fuel lines changed 2 small 5/16 lines from pump to each fuel rail I wonder if by pusing the lines on I broke the seals or something like that with 1 of the rails. I tried to be careful when doing this. I'm thinking about recording what's it's doing with my gopro. I put the new fuel ball on and it doesn't seem to have prevented anything from flowing back. I'm not sure if the problem is before or after it. I also added a clear online fuel filter right after primer ball. It has air in the sight glass all the time once or twice when motor was off I noticed gas filled the container but I'm not sure if it ran out from motor or done the line from tank.
 
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