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1996 Evinrude Intruder 150 - Runs great on muffs, dies in water

ctwhite3

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Hey everyone, looking for some help diagnosing a 1996 Evinrude Intruder 150 2-stroke with the Optical Ignition System (OIS). I've been restoring the boat/motor and have gotten pretty deep into troubleshooting this issue.

The main problem is that the motor runs great on muffs but will not stay running when the boat is actually in the water.

On muffs at home, it starts almost immediately, idles well, has a strong telltale, and will run for 10+ minutes without an issue. We measured around 135°F after letting it run, and nothing seemed abnormal.

At the ramp, it is completely different. It will usually start and run for roughly 30 seconds, then gradually lose RPM and die. After that, it will restart but generally only run for a few seconds before dying again.

Here's what we've done so far:

  • Compression tested all six cylinders three times. Lowest reading was 106 PSI and highest was 115 PSI, so compression is very even.
  • Completely removed, cleaned, and rebuilt all three carburetors with full rebuild kits.
  • Slow-speed mixture needles are set to the factory starting point of 5 turns out from lightly seated.
  • Rebuilt/repaired the primer solenoid. It now actuates properly when the key is pushed in.
  • Went through the fuel system, including the tank, primer bulb, lines, filter, fittings, etc. We previously found a leak around the fuel-filter fittings and corrected it.
  • Installed six new spark-plug wires.
  • Tested spark with an adjustable tester. All six cylinders now consistently jump an 11 mm gap.
  • We also previously bypassed portions of the boat's fuel system during testing and got the engine running well, but after correcting the fuel system and reconnecting everything, the in-water problem remained.
Because the problem seemed directly related to putting the engine in the water, we started wondering about exhaust backpressure. We had also noticed pieces of an old hornets' nest occasionally coming out of the upper exhaust-relief area.

We decided to go pretty far with that theory. We removed the powerhead from the midsection and removed the lower unit so we could inspect the exhaust housing. The main exhaust path appears completely clear aside from normal carbon/use. We didn't find a nest, major carbon blockage, collapsed component, or anything else that looked capable of restricting the main exhaust.

There is one other area we're investigating: OIS timing/link-and-sync.

After having the OIS/timing linkage apart, we initially had a no-spark condition when putting it back together. We discovered the OIS sensor support/timing linkage wasn't properly engaged. Moving the spark lever/timing mechanism brought spark back. We obviously aren't going to leave it manually advanced, so our next step is to properly go through the link-and-sync procedure and check actual timing with a timing light.

At this point we seem to have:

Good/even compression → rebuilt carbs → functioning primer → fuel supply checked → strong 11 mm spark on all six → main exhaust housing clear.


The thing that still has me puzzled is how dramatically the engine behaves differently on muffs versus sitting normally in the lake. If anyone has experience with these 1990s 60° V6 Evinrude/Johnson OIS motors, especially one that runs perfectly on muffs but falls on its face once exhaust backpressure is introduced, I'd really appreciate any ideas on what you would check next.
 
Just 3 carburetors or 6 of them?-----Float bowls warped ?----High speed jets in place?----How did it run for you last season ?
 
Just 3 carburetors or 6 of them?-----Float bowls warped ?----High speed jets in place?----How did it run for you last season ?
It has 3 carburetor assemblies, with 2 barrels/throats each, feeding the 6 cylinders - so yeah, essentially 6 carbs


We completely removed and rebuilt all with full kits. The bowls did not look obviously warped when we had them apart, but we did not specifically check them with a straightedge, so that is something I can go back and verify. The high-speed jets/orifices are installed.


As far as last season goes, I actually don’t have a good baseline for it. This is a restoration/project boat, so I never personally ran the engine last season before doing all of this work. I’m basically working through whatever issues it had from sitting/previous ownership.


Compression is 106–115 PSI across all six, spark will consistently jump an 11 mm gap on all six, and the main exhaust passage was clear when we separated the powerhead, midsection, and lower unit.
 
This is confusing me.----So it is NOT a 60 degree V-6 with 6 carburetors.-----So now we need pictures of your motor or a correct model number.-----My guess is that you have a 90 degree crossflow.
 
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This is confusing me.----So it is NOT a 60 degree V-6 with 6 carburetors.-----So now we need pictures of your motor or a correct model number.-----My guess is that you have a 90 degree crossflow.
Sorry, I described that poorly. It is a 1996 Evinrude Intruder 150, model E150GLEDB, with the OIS ignition system. It is the 60-degree V6 looper with six carburetors. I was referring to the three paired levels when I said three carbs.


We rebuilt all six carburetors/float bowls with kits. I’ll also go back and specifically check the plastic bowls for warping with a straightedge and verify that all six high-speed jets are installed in the bowls.


I can post some pictures of the motor as well, just let me know what you'd like to see.
 
Hey everyone, looking for some help diagnosing a 1996 Evinrude Intruder 150

The main problem is that the motor runs great on muffs but will not stay running when the boat is actually in the water.

At the ramp, it is completely different. It will usually start and run for roughly 30 seconds, then gradually lose RPM and die. After that, it will restart but generally only run for a few seconds before dying again.

Here's what we've done so far:

  • Compression tested all six cylinders three times. Lowest reading was 106 PSI and highest was 115 PSI, so compression is very even.
  • Completely removed, cleaned, and rebuilt all three carburetors with full rebuild kits.
  • Slow-speed mixture needles are set to the factory starting point of 5 turns out from lightly seated.
  • Rebuilt/repaired the primer solenoid. It now actuates properly when the key is pushed in.
  • Went through the fuel system, including the tank, primer bulb, lines, filter, fittings, etc. We previously found a leak around the fuel-filter fittings and corrected it.
  • Installed six new spark-plug wires.
  • Tested spark with an adjustable tester. All six cylinders now consistently jump an 11 mm gap.
  • We also previously bypassed portions of the boat's fuel system during testing and got the engine running well, but after correcting the fuel system and reconnecting everything, the in-water problem remained.
There is one other area we're investigating: OIS timing/link-and-sync.

After having the OIS/timing linkage apart, we initially had a no-spark condition when putting it back together. We discovered the OIS sensor support/timing linkage wasn't properly engaged. Moving the spark lever/timing mechanism brought spark back. We obviously aren't going to leave it manually advanced, so our next step is to properly go through the link-and-sync procedure and check actual timing with a timing light.
I have the exact same engine. Compression and spark on your engine sounds like you're good.

So you've messed with the timing? Go to this link for some guidance on OIS2000 timing --> MaxRules OIS2000 Ignition. The timing on these is not just a simple straight forward thing.

Have you verified your port temp sensor is good? This is the one that delivers temp values to the power pack for the fast start feature. When you say it runs fine in the water for 30 seconds then dies makes me think the fast start feature is working, but let's verify. Typically Fast Start will give you about 1,100 RPM in the water on a cold start, then when 100*F is reported from the port temp sensor it will drop to about 800RPM idle. If your initial timing is off, you are probably dropping too low of RPM when the power pack reduces to base timing and that's why it's dying.
 
Actually, fast start is activated when key is in crank position regardless of engine temp AND also when ever engine temp is below I think 105 degrees.
So even a warm engine will get the timing bump during start up.
 
A few updates after going through the timing side of things today, but first, thank yall for the input.

We verified the timing light is on #1 and that the #1 index on the timing wheel is appearing at the pointer correctly. The timing light initially gave us a strange reading, but that turned out to be related to the dial-back setting on the light. With the dial set to 0, the timing is reading correctly.

We adjusted the idle timing and now have it set at 6° ATDC, which is right on the factory spec for the 150/175.

We are also going to verify the QuickStart/Fast Start operation next. On a warm restart, we should see the timing advance for roughly 5 seconds and then return to the normal base timing around 6° ATDC. The port temperature switch/white-black circuit is also on the list to verify since that is what tells the power pack when to drop out of QuickStart.

The other thing I still need to verify is maximum spark advance. That setting may have been disturbed at some point during the restoration, so I do not want to assume it is still correct. Factory spec is 20° ±1° BTDC.

At this point we have:

  • Compression 106–115 PSI across all 6
  • All 6 now consistently jump an 11 mm spark gap with the new plug wires
  • Carbs rebuilt
  • Fuel system gone through
  • Main exhaust passage inspected and clear
  • Base/idle timing now set to 6° ATDC
The original symptom was still that it would run very well on muffs, but in the water it would run for roughly 30 seconds, gradually lose RPM, and die. The QuickStart theory is interesting because that timing change could line up with the time it takes for the RPM to start falling.

Next step is to verify the QuickStart transition and the 20° max advance, then get it back in the water and see if the behavior has changed.

If anyone with experience on the OIS2000/60° V6 setup has any tips for safely verifying max advance without the factory OMC analyzer, I’d appreciate it.
 
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