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1986 Merc Classic 50 overheating

Belly_Up

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Just purchased a 1986 pontoon boat with same year Mercury Classic 50 (45 horse 2 stroke outboard). Boat is still on same body of fresh water and has never been run in the ocean.
The motor is overheating after about 1 minute at idle with ears attached. Not exactly sure to what extent the overheat problem is as I am a boater newbie and have no experience whatsoever with outboards. I also do not know the exact temperature, but will be getting a non-contact thermometer shortly. The following work has been performed by a friend of mine who is pretty versed in Johnson/Evinrude motors... Replaced water pump as a kit. Old impeller had one remaining vane, so it was spent... fished out some of the old pieces from the lower unit and verified it was clear (Steam coming off of the motor is what prompted the pump replacement in the first place). After pump replacement the tell tale had a steady stream coming out, but the water is about the temp of a cup of fresh hot coffee and possibly hotter. The water jacket got hot very quickly to a point where it was too hot to touch the plate within a minute at idle. Next step... removed water jacket and exhaust baffle to visually verify no other obstructions. Seemed pretty clean. Blew compressed air through all water supply holes and up the copper water pick up tube, no verifiable debris in the channels. There is no thermostat on this model, so that removes an obvious failure. There isn't so much as a drop of water coming from the exhaust vent outlets just above the lower unit, but I've read that there doesn't have to be water coming out the exhaust, just the prop and tell tale which is the case with my motor. My friend thinks that he did not seat the copper pick up line properly after re-installing the lower unit and doesn't recall seeing a rubberized fitting for the end of the tube to seal it. My question is this... If in fact the copper water pick up tube is not seated and sealed properly, would this cause the pump to not be able to get enough water through the cooling channels to adequately cool the motor and run the risk of overheat damage? Thanks for your time and knowledge.
 
One thing you might want to try or maybe not.----------On the waterjacket cover you will find a pipe plug ( near the top sparkplug ) ------Remove it and install a pressure gauge 0-30 PSI and start it up on a hose.-Record the pressure you see.---Launch boat and see what pressure the pump develops.--------Then you can decide what needs to be done.
 
Hi racerone,

Thanks for your input... I can see how valuable these forums are :D I have a shop manual on the way to me, so I'll be sure to reference the pipe plug and work with my friend on your suggestion as part of the troubleshoot. Regards.
 
No way the motor should overhat with the muffs attached--unless they are not sending enough water into the LU (meaning too much is leaking aroound it. Seen that happen with a John-Rude.) Before doing anything else, I suggest you find a bucket, stick the LU in and fill to an inch above thewcavittation plate, and try again.

Jeff
 
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the advice. I'm waiting for gaskets to be delivered after pulling off the WJ and baffle, but will try the water barrel as part of the troubleshoot once it's all buttoned up. Thanks.
 
DON'T try to remove any of those WJ bolts unless you absolutely have to! They are easily broken off and are tough to repair. Furthermore, I doubt if it will be necessary (per your description).

Jeff
 
All righty... I think I have the problem licked. Apparently we were fighting a couple of different problems. The prevailing problem was the overheating and was solved by reseating the LU into the copper water pickup line with the proper seal. I'm not sure this was the entire answer because I remember removing a fairly large chunk of carbon from the lower end of the baffle plate when pulling it off the motor. That chunk having built up for a number of years, appeared to be blocking the water jacket exit into the exhaust behind the baffle plate. The water exit is just a small apeture and I can see how it could become easily blocked, thus preventing water from exiting at a normal rate. Regardless, the overheating problem has been rectified, but she still runs a little hotter than I expected. The tell tale is still pretty warm and producing steam after running for a few at moderate acceleration. My non-contact thermometer shows @ 110 degrees while the WJ stays cool, so I guess I'm not all that concerned. So the second issue was fuel related. We could get the motor to start and restart during our drydock tests, but once in the water she cut out and wouldn't restart. It eventually restarted , but we noticed that the primer bulb wouldn't pressurize well and we flooded the engine trying to get it to start and almost killed the battery. We started thinking that a weak battery was part of the problem and we had already charged it up once. The load test was borderline, so I decided to go ahead and relplace the battery anyway with a nice brandy new 800 CCA marine battery. Whether the battery was part of the problem or not is now a non-issue. In the end I solved the problem accidentally. I have 2 gas tanks on the boat and was just about out of fuel in the one we had been using all along. I switched the tank out with the other one and presto... fully pressurized primer bulb and she starts every time now without much issue... just a little choke when cold. So I'm hoping that's it... at least for this season :cool: If anyone has any input as to what could be wrong with the bum tank I'd love to hear from you. Thanks for the responses and happy boating!
 
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