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1974 merc probs

Calico Jack

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Hey everyone im trying to restore a 1974 galaxy with a mercruiser 165 hp GM Strait 6 .Im hav some problems an would appreciate any help.#1 the drive is stuck in the up pos an can hear trim motor runing but doesnt move filled oil an saw it was dripping from bilge.#2 cant seem to turn over motor wondering if motor or drive is siezed.#3 wire from distributer to coil is frayeed an coroded an was grounding to da block do i need to hav a special wire /part to replace this.sory if these ?s ben answered .
 
#1 Check hose fittings for tightness. See troubleshooting below.

#2 Pull the spark plugs and crank it; look for water coming out of the plug holes.

#3 The wire is probably the resistor wire that lowers the voltage to the coil; must be replaced w/the same or install an inline external ballast resistor at the coil.

How the trim/tilt works

Before you tear anything apart or replace wiring and switches, test it out; first by visual inspection by pulling back and forth on the wires while operating the switches and then test with a meter. At the commander switches, the red wire will always have 12 volts. The green wire gets 12 volts when the trim toggle is held down. The blue wire gets 12 volts only when the toggle is held up or the trailer switch is pushed in. The purple wire is part of the limit switch circuit.

If the switch voltages are as they are supposed to be then go to the trim/tilt pump assy. and make sure the purple wire connector (single wire) and the blue wire connector with two blue wires on one side of the connection are not corroded or loose. These are the trim position and limit switch wires. Pull them apart and inspect; they should be clean and tight; reconnect them. If necessary, trace the wires to the front of the engine near the slave solenoid. One wire is grounded near there and the other is connected to a terminal. If you don't get a voltage reading at the terminal junction, apply 12 VDC to see if the trim gauge moves. If it does, check for voltage back at the trim pump connections. If no voltage is there, apply 12 VDC there to check gauge movement.

Next check the three wire connector (RED, BLUE & GREEN) at the pump assy. This plug can vibrate loose and cause your problem. Pull it off and see if the pins are clean and not corroded; reconnect it.

The RED wire in the plug sends 12 volts from the pump assy. to the toggle up/down and trailer up switches. The BLUE & GREEN wires bring 12 volts from the toggle trim/tilt and trailer switches to the two solenoids on the pump assy.

The GREEN wire goes to the DOWN solenoid while the BLUE wire goes to the UP solenoid.

Did you check the switches with an ohmmeter? The trim/tilt switch is a 2-way switch and will show continuity only when it is toggled in each direction between two of the wires.

Up toggle connects the RED wire to the BLUE wire. Down toggle connects the RED wire to the GREEN wire. The TRAILER UP switch also connects the RED wire to the BLUE wire.

The OD trim limit switch will only send voltage to the trim/tilt switch in the upward toggle position if the OD limit switch is below the adjusted trim limit that keeps the OD being out of the water.

To test the limit switch circuit, lower the OD to the down position and slowly raise it with the trim toggle up until it stops. Then measure the distance between the trim cylinder attaching bolts. If the distance is approx. 22 +/- 1/4 inches, then the trim limit switch is adjusted properly and the commander trim toggle switch is working in the up/down mode.

Go to the trim/tilt pump assy. and make sure the purple wire connector (single wire) and the blue wire connector two blue wires on one side of the connection are not corroded or loose. Pull them apart; they should be clean and tight; reconnect them.
Next check the three (RED, BLUE & GREEN) wire connector at the pump assy. The RED wire in the plug sends 12 volts from the pump assy. to the toggle up/down and trailer up switches. This plug can vibrate loose and cause your problem. Pull it off and see if the pins are clean and not corroded; reconnect it.

The BLUE & GREEN wires bring 12 volts from the switches to the two solenoids on the pump assy. The GREEN wire goes to the DOWN solenoid while the BLUE wire goes to the UP solenoid.

Disconnect the trim/tilt assy. wires from the battery and then check each of the nuts and studs on the solenoids for clean and tight fittings. Each solenoid has three wires and the buss bar connected to it. The bases of them have a black ground wire and a small blue wire to one and a small green wire to the other.

On top of each solenoid, the large BLUE wire from the pump motor attaches to a large copper stud with the solenoid that has the small blue wire at the base while the large GREEN wire from the pump motor attaches to a large copper stud with the solenoid that has the small green wire at the base.

The other copper solenoid studs are connected together with a copper buss bar. One of the two studs will also have a funny looking 110 amp fuse attached to the bar. The large RED wire from the battery connects to the 110 amp fuse. This large red wire is the power for this buss bar. A small RED wire attached to the bar stud sends 12 volts to the switches which in turn sends the 12 volts to the solenoids which turns on the pump motor.

Important: if the studs on the either solenoid are dark and not like a clean penny, especially the BLUE wired solenoid, this solenoid is failing due to age and/or a loose bottom copper stud nut. The dark color comes from heat generated inside of the solenoid by the contactor because it is arcing like welding similar to points wearing out. Change the solenoid.

Cleaning Trim Limit Switch & Trim Position Sender

For the trim/tilt problem you are experiencing, if the wires from the limit switch (port side) and trim position sender (starboard side) are in good condition, they (Switch or sender) can be disassembled to clean out the old hardened grease. SCRIBE the sides of each one and the OD for a reference mark before removal. Clean out the old grease and pump fresh Mercruiser 2-4-C grease thru the zerk fittings before reinstallation. Clean the small brass contact points with solvent and a pencil eraser until shiny; repack w/ 2-4-C grease and reinstall by aligning reference marks.
 
Pulled the plugs this morning added som pen oil and tried to crank just clicks still.Jumped accross start selaniod an starter engages but was grindy an did not turn the motor over i hear some thing in the drive sound like its bound up.?s #1 would my next step be to remove drive unit? an how hard is it to do ive done outbourds before.#2 is the start selaniod bad because i had to jump accross the terminals?#3 how can i be sure im in neutral havnt messed w it.prop moves forward wen turned back it turns for a sec then locks.last ?can i use auto parts from back in the day 1974 like oil filter for a 74 nova w 6cyl motor its the same block?
 
#1 See if you can turn the engine by hand in neutral. Yes, pull the OD; get a manual.
#2 It could be; have the starter looked at by a rebuilder.
#3 Prop spins in either direction. Only autoparts you can use are oil filters; AC Delco is fine.
 
i was able to turn the flywheel tooth by tooth w a scredriver turn about a qter way then seemed to bind.im hoping a rod is not broken.the starter or selaniod would not bench test nada.i cant believe im looking for old school stuff i had three of these laying around wen i use to run muscle cars.im wondering if threw rod or damaged drive shaft or both going to pull the drive next?
 
The plugs were all out.ill remove the cap an hav a loksee in there.but the drive still stuck in the up position can it be removed like dat?
 
Yes,

Remove the trim rams and the drive should fall down (carefully) then shift into forward on the controll and remove.....
 
Removed top cap and the upper case gears look fine.however disconnected the rams and they dont move at all.disconnected tha hydr lines only one driped fluid appears to be thick gunk in the rams.Can i remove the gunk by pumping thru w a small oil can pump?I should be able to move the rams by hand right?
 
"Can i remove the gunk by pumping thru w a small oil can pump?I should be able to move the rams by hand right?"

I doubt you can pump the gunk out w/an oil can. Try compressed air w/a rubber tipped nipple. Probably need rebuilt/replaced.

If the trim pump runs drain the oil reservior and fill it w/cheap automatic transmission fluid and run it up/down several times then drain it and refill it. Trans. fluid will clean anything.
 
happy 4th of july eveyone.just ashort update.removed the rams and disassembled cleaned found the moving parts of the sliding silver bushings around the pistons were fused .i oiled them an tapped them around an freed them up.the rams were like new wen i was finished an move smoothly an pumping air.i reinstalled them an now hav trim power to up an down.only problem was blowing out a hydo line kind of halted my progress.i found a starter solaniod looks like it will work for 16 bucks ?were to get som hoses though ther like 20$ a piece.any ideas guys
 
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