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1973 Johnson 85hp won't open up on water!

ridgerunner79

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Hi all fellow boaters out there! I'm new to the forum but not to boats,I've had the engine 8 years now and just this season having major issues with it,the problem with it is it starts and idles great but anything above a quarter throttle she stalls,when on the hose she takes fuel fine and runs great but under load on the water she just won't open up.the things I've replaced are stator,rectifier,carbs,power pack,and spark plugs and didn't seem to help at all I have ran seafoam through it and no change,it really has me puzzled any suggestions on what to try I would be very grateful and will try anything at this point haven't got to go fishing all summer trying to get this motor figured out.thanks in advance
 
Assuming that you have proper compression... and spark on all cylinders that willl jump a 7/16" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP, that problem would be a result of (to name a few)...........

1 - Linkage being disconnected from a carburetor (throttle butterfly inoperative).
2 - Timer base under flywheel sticking (timing jammed at retard position).
3 - High speed jet(s) clogged (fuel restriction).

The compression and spark test with "all" spark plugs removed in both cases are the basic starting trouble shooting spots... you don't mention doing either. The 7/16" gap mentioned is important. Let us know what you find.
 
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Assuming that you have proper compression... and spark on all cylinders that willl jump a 7/16" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP, that problem would be a result of (to name a few)...........

1 - Linkage being disconnected from a carburetor (throttle butterfly inoperative).
2 - Timer base under flywheel sticking (timing jammed at retard position).
3 - High speed jet(s) clogged (fuel restriction).

The compression and spark test with "all" spark plugs removed in both cases are the basic starting trouble shooting spots... you don't mention doing either. The 7/16" gap mentioned is important. Let us know what you find.

Thank you for the recommendations I will defantelly do the spark test tomorrow,the compression is left:2 cylinders 100 right:2 cylinders 97...the carbs have been recently rebuilt and the timing advance is not stuck...as soon as I get the results from the spark test I will post my results...may be a stupid question but does the stator have anything to do with the firing. Again thanks for your time.
 
Ok done the spark test and #1,#3,#4 coils made the 7/16" gap good with good blue spark,but the #2 coil was a little intermediate with the spark,while cranking the spark completed the gap for 3 or 4 cycles then it would not spark at all for 1 or 2 cycles,could it be a faulty coil? or could there be something bigger going on? I know one thing this is driving me crazy trying to figure out why it will run and open up good but when on the water it will not accelerate past 1/4 throttle without spitting and spurting then dying out.
 
Stator(s)..... The early model stators did not have any molded insulation surrounding them, rather the coils were not insulated and were quite visible. The later model stators, including todays models, have a molded insulation material surrounding the coils.

In either case, there are a series of small coils on each side that provide AC voltage to a rectifier that converts that voltage to DC voltage to charge the battery. There are also two larger black coils at the rear of the stator that provide approximately 300 AC volts to the powerpack capacitor which is needed to engage the ignition.

Whether the stator is insulated or not, visually inspect the stator to see if it is cracked and especially to see if one or both of those two large black coils might be dripping a sticky looking substance down upon the powerhead area (meltdown). If a meltdown exists, replace the stator as that condition results in a AC voltage drop to the powerpack.

Although the carburetors have been recently rebuilt, there is always the possibility that a bit of foreign debris may have broken loose and has found its way into the high speed jet area... that would knock out one cylinder at the higher rpm setting.

NOTE: DO NOT run the engine at full throttle when out of the water as you are risking a runaway engine situation.... the engine diesels and keeps increasing its rpms. Should this occur, by the time you figure out how to shut the engine down, connecting rods could be flying out the side of the crankcase.

Out of the water.... the engine is not opening up, it just seems that way. There is no exhaust back pressure to hold the rpms down. The engine could be running on half the cylinders and stilll scream away.
 
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