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1958 Evinrude Surging

sanderson

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"I purchased this engine last

"I purchased this engine last year and it is in great shape. I have been using it at altitude and of course, it would not power up. I have leaned it out as much as it will go. Yesterday, I took it to a lake at 500' and it performed better, but still sounded like it was laboring at high speed. I readjusted the Hi Speed but couldn't get it to run up to where I think it should. Suddenly, it "surged" forward, RPM's rev'd up, it sounded great and took off like a race boat! It did this about 4 times before I shut it down. I checked my tank and it showed empty. We filled the tank and it ran poorly again. For a few seconds when it was running out of gas, it permormed like a racehorse. Also, it burns gas like mad when it is running poorly. Suddenly surging when it was running out of gas would tell me that it is still running way too lean. Any thoughts? I want the magic of those few seconds back!"
 
I think you need to look at th

I think you need to look at the float valve in the carburetor as it sounds to me ( sitting at the computer ) that it is flooding.The other thing to do is to put a timing light on each cylinder ( as a scope ) to see if you have consistent spark at each cylinder.
 
Hi Joe-
It's 35hp. I got


Hi Joe-
It's 35hp. I got a message back that suggested I look at the float. It may be flooding. Also to put a timing light on each cylinder to check spark.
 
"Spark plugs should be Champio

"Spark plugs should be Champion J4C or J6C plugs gapped at .030 . The J6C may provide improved performance.

That sudden surge indicates the engine was running on one cylinder, then suddenly the other cylinder kicked in.

First, check the compression. It should be approx 100+ psi and even on both cylinders.

Next, with the s/plugs removed, check the spark. It should jump a 1/4" gap on that model with a strong blue flame on both cylinders. (The s/plugs must be removed in order to obtain the highest rpm available).

(Regular Magneto Coils - Continuity Test)
(J. Reeves)

Checking the continuity of the ignition coils....... Have the ohm meter set to High Ohms.

Remove the primary wire from points. Remove the coil ground wire. You do not want either of these wires touching anything.
Connect the black lead of a ohm meter to the spark plug boot terminal, then with the red ohm meter lead, touch the ground wire of the coil.

Then touch (still with the red lead) the primary wire. You should get a reading on both touches (contacts). If not, check the spring terminal inside the rubber boots of the spark plug wire.

If there is no continuity between the secondary circuit (spark plug) wire and the primary or ground, remove the coil from the armature plate, then check the continuity directly between the prong within the coil (prong that the plug wire connects to) and the primary and ground. Poor or no continuity of a coil (or plug wire) is one reason for weak spark, s/plug fouling, or no spark.

(Magneto Coil Alignment)
(J. Reeves)

To align the coils properly, have the metal vertical portion of the coil yokes aligned with the inside edge of the bevel that exists on the top portion of the aluminum seat upon which the coils sit. This creates the proper distance between the coils and the flywheel magnets. Faulty alignment creats friction and the yokes of the coils heat up, turn blue and expand.

(Point Setting Of Magneto Models)
(J. Reeves)

Set the points as follows. Have the flywheel key aligned with the fiber rubber portion of the ignition points. Adjust the gap so that a .020 gauge will pass thru but a .022 will not. Should there be any question of the points being dirty (touching the contact with your finger would cause them to be dirty), clean them with a small brush and acetone or lacquer thinner.

NOTE: Should the operating cam have a small portion on it with the word "SET" imprinted, align this portion with the fiber rubbing portion instead of the flywheel key.

(Magneto Armature Plate)
(J. Reeves)

If the armature plate has a a loose fitting, wobbling motion (the plate that the points, coils etc are attached to), it is usually caused by a slightly worn support ring. This allows the point setting to change erratically as the armature plate turns.

The cure is to remove the armature plate so that the support which is attached to the powerhead with 4 screws is visible. Then, with a screwdriver and hammer, or some tool of your choosing, and looking straight down at the support ring, make an indentation at what would be called the 12, 3, 6, and 9 O'clock positions. Install the armature plate and check for a smooth turning wobble free movement.

You may need to do that procedure a few times to obtain the proper fit (not too tight, not too loose), but it's worth the effort.

Use a small amount of anti corrosive grease between the aluminum ring and the brass support plate and also on the brass bushing of the armature plate when all is well.

(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs)
(J. Reeves)

Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Setting the high and low needle valves properly:

NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.

(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting.

(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

If the response of the carburetor is not as it should be and all else is well, clean and rebuild the carburetor.

When time permits, visit my store at: http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store
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"The surge can also be caused

"The surge can also be caused if the motor is running way too rich (float issues come to mind) and as it runs out of fuel, for a few precious seconds the carb isn't flooding because there is no more excess fuel getting into the float bowl.

Seen this heaps of times on old Seagull Outboards when the floats go crook and sink (which is the opposite of what they are meant to do!)."
 
"Thanks Andy-
As soon as I ca


"Thanks Andy-
As soon as I can figure out how to get to the float, I will check it out. Sounds very logical.

Don"
 
The carburetor is a very simpl

The carburetor is a very simple device on your outboard.
 
"The bottom part of the carby

"The bottom part of the carby is the float bowl, it will be held on by little screws under its top edge (where it meets the body (early carbs may have a central, bg brass nut holding the float bowl on). The float is the big thing that moves up and down.

With carby inverted the float should sit with the edge away from its hinge point, slightly higher than the hinged edge (there is an exact measurement for this in the manual) so it may need re-setting.

If it is an old skool brass float, it may be punctured and if you detach it and shake it, you will hear liquid inside (this is bad news for the float).

You also need to check the little needle that is attached to the float at the hinge end and check that its little pointy end is not notched or ridged and there is no debris in the brass housing that the float needle sits in.

Here endeth the first lesson but buying a manual will help a lot as there will be pictures.

Good luck!"
 
"Bob-
Great! This is a big he


"Bob-
Great! This is a big help. I found a repair manual for my engine on ebay yesterday and ordered it. It is on DVD, but complete. Only $14.00 with shipping. Thanks"
 
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