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140 Johnson 1977 shift adjustment problem

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Ron Walker

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" I can't seem to find the

" I can't seem to find the happy medium on this. I can adjust the thumbwheel on the cable to either get forward or reverse cleanly, but not both. The clutch dog doesn't jump out once it's in.

I looked for slack in the system but can't find any. As soon as the lever moves, the cable moves the linkage at the engine.

Suggestions?

Thanks, "
 
"Ron.... You don't say whe

"Ron.... You don't say whether you've had the lower unit off or not. But if so, it's possible you've distrubed the shift rod adjustment which is the measurement between the top surface of the lower unit at the center of the shift pin hole at the top of the shift rod. That measurement is critical. Depending on which length engine you have, that measurement is:

1977 - 140hp = (L) 21-13/32" -- (XL) 26-13/32" plus/minus 1/32". have shift rod in neutral.

You say that there is no play. You may be overlooking the play that is present in all of the engines. Check the play as follows:

The proper method to adjust the shift cable is to disconnect the cable from the engine. Move the shift linkage on the engine to find the center of the play in neutral, and when found, leave it centered.

Now, grab the end of the shift cable sleeve, push and pull it to find the center of the play there, and center that play.

Adjust the trunion on the threaded portion of the shift cable so that the centered play of the cable lines up with the centered play of the engine's shift linkage. Lock and install the shift cable with the retaining clamp in that position. That's it.

The following information may also be usefull to you.

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are percisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are percisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those percisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those percisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.

Joe
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" Thanks Joe,

As I understa


" Thanks Joe,

As I understand the history of this engine, it had the lower unit re-built a few years ago. Then the top end gave trouble and hasn't been used in a couple of years. We had the top re-built and it is running well, but this lower unit problem is happening. I think it is likely that you're idea of the shift rod adjustment being out is a good one to persue. I'll also check the play and cable adjustment the way you've posted.

Thanks again, "
 
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