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Question on SPitting & missing.

thudpucker

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On the older 2 Hose engines mostly.
They suddenly start spitting, missing etc at an idle.

I always thought the Spitting was beacuse one Cylinder did not fire, leaving the next cylinder to fire, and the wet gas ignited and caused a Spitting noise.
That would be a Wet condition.
Too much fuel.

A back fire in the upper cylinder or a miss in the upper cylinder (either one) would probably cause the lower cylinder to mis-fire because it was too lean by throwing the movement of the Fuel/Air mix off.

Eventually something would work and it'd idle for a few strokes.

I think that's too rich. What do you learned guys think?
Dick
 
Engines that encounter the spitting back scenario you describe is due to having the engine run lean fuel wise.

The older two hose equipped engines incorporate a pressure type fuel tank..... air from the engine is pumped from the engine to pressurize the fuel tank in order to have the fuel forced to the engine's carburetor.

If the tank has a slight leak, air will escape and the engine must work overtime pertaining in rpms in order to keep the tank pressurized... OR should the tank not be full, the engine will need to run for a longer amount of time in order for the tank to be pressurized properly... OR a problem may exist at the engine whereas the engine is not supplying the normal amount of air... OR a fuel/air leak exists at the dual line fuel connector.

If all is well pertaining to the above, that would leave a problem such as a fouled or misadjusted carburetor. If simply misadjusted.............

(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs)
(J. Reeves)

Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Setting the high and low needle valves properly:

NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.

(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting.

(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

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Many thanks Joe.
You are truely a book learned and experience re-inforced expert.

Looking back, my Dad got really angry with me when I monkeyed with the knobs on our (had to be earlier than 55) 10 Hp Johnson.
We'd troll for Salmon, slow as we could troll. After awhile it'd start running ugly and spitting would get worse till the engine quit.
Then we had a problem.
I can see now, from your post that we had some air leaking problems.
A lot of guys will be happy with your post.
Thanks again.
 
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