Agree - besides the exhaust manifolds, both are serious design flaws in my opinion. One particular issue that ticked me off to no end is that until recently they did not provide and NMEA 2000 electronic outputs in order to monitor engine performance in real time. Instead, you had to purchase those funky, hard to read, digital gauges for an outlandish price - the two gauges were over $1600.It seems that Honda's small engine tradition and experience allowed them to make excellent smaller outboards. But when they decided to "marineize" their large auto engines, they made some serious design mistakes, like those already mentioned. Underneath it all, the 200's and 225's are Honda J35 (A3 or A4) engines. Those are real work horses. But all the modifications needed to make it into an outboard seemed to have stumped Honda's normally outstanding design folks.