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phil_j
12-05-2008, 11:41 AM
"hi can anyone help i have a brealey smith jetski built in nottingham england circa 1970 it has a 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine fitted in quite a state can anyone help identify it the crafts makers plate say eng no:1894993 any help or comments helpfull http://www.marineengine.com/discus/messages/8/221885.jpghttp://www.marineengine.com/discus/messages/8/221886.jpghttp://www.marineengine.com/discus/messages/8/221887.jpghttp://www.marineengine.com/discus/messages/8/221888.jpg"

bondo
12-05-2008, 09:53 PM
"Ayuh,...

It kinda looks like an old Saab 3 cylinder 2 stroke motor..."

justintime
12-11-2008, 02:00 AM
i think suzuki built the motor

dave_kirk
12-11-2008, 01:34 PM
didn't i see one of those in a "bond" movie?

david_r
12-12-2008, 11:12 AM
""""didn't i see one of those in a "bond" movie?"""

would that be a sean connery bond movie?

looks like it might be worth fixing up, and a lot of fun.

is that a ferrari sticker on the front?"

phil_j
12-16-2008, 06:09 PM
yes but i dont think its a ferrari engine ha ha

david_r
12-16-2008, 06:25 PM
too bad!

it still looks pretty cool though.

are you fixing it?......or have you found anymore info?

i sent you a message.

david_r
12-16-2008, 09:48 PM
you know if you cant find any info nor parts for that you could always put in a newer style eng and drive.

just a thought

phil_j
12-17-2008, 01:31 AM
yeah think thats a feasable option im getting snippets here and there couple of people can remember seeing something like it!on other forums and its brought back fond memories for them......my aim is to restore it to its former glory .....im just finishing off a 70s classic marina speedboat so jetski thingy will hopefully be next!

cerdo
12-20-2008, 10:41 AM
its a rotax engine.

From the son of Brealey in Brealey Smith!

cehmass
12-20-2008, 11:28 AM
"rotax is a product of BRP they make a lot things
ski doo ,jet skis, evinrude /johnson,atv"s etc..."

mistahays
12-20-2008, 11:05 PM
"I've heard Rotax is THE name in personal water craft, go kart racing etc. I would reach out and see what they have as a drop in replacement. Looks like a fun boat. Oh... and FYI... the Bond boat was bigger and had a Chevy v8 in it."

phil_j
12-21-2008, 11:48 AM
thanks stuart thats great info about it being a rotax engine anymore info would be great can you remember what model the engine was?or the skis being built or used etc ....thanks phil

cerdo
12-24-2008, 02:06 PM
"Hi Phil, The original engine was a 2 cylinder rotax type 373 water cooled. The engine that is in your boat could be a British Anzani 3, this most probably is a modification,If you need ant more info just throw me a line. Are you in the uk?"

phil_j
12-28-2008, 11:12 AM
thanks stuart was that a modification that could of been done when built or by an owner at some point?.....yeah im in the uk i live in melton mowbray leicestershire

cerdo
12-30-2008, 03:51 PM
"The majority were rotax but that engine was used, my dad says someone put a morris 1000 engine in one !!! and it worked really well. Ive never seen one in the water and i would love too. My dad still has all the spec hand drawn by himself. And just to put the story straight..... the boat was designed, built by Robert Brealey and David Smith, other people may have said that they had done it, but they didnt !!"

phil_j
12-31-2008, 01:01 AM
"wow!now theres a thought a moggie engine i was toying with the idea of putting a reliant robin engine in small and lightweight!because i should imagine parts are hard to come by although i would like to keep it original if poss.i understand theres a chap somewhere in the lake district that has restored one and ive seen one for sale in ireland.what was behind your father designing the buccaneer was it a natural progression being in the fibreglass industry?obviously it was a forerunner to what we have today in pwc, is he still in the nottingham area?"

phil_j
12-31-2008, 01:08 AM
hi stuart can you or your father remember what make the drive was? sorry for all the questions but its such a unique craft and im so glad to of found such an amazing source of information as your good self ...many thanks phil

djsmith
02-09-2009, 11:39 AM
"Hi Stuart and all,

David Smith Jnr here, son of Smith in Brealey Smith! How are you doing Stuart? I dont think I've seen you since I was little. Jean just told me about a Brealey Smith fairing on eBay.

Here is a newspaper aticle and pic from Doctor Who and The Sea Devils (1972).
http://www.fathomtreeltd.com/bucaneer.jpg" ("")

Stuarts father and my father are the people to talk to!"

djsmith
02-09-2009, 11:44 AM
David says it was a uniroyal cush drive. I'm sure the team from Brealey Smith would gladly sit down with a cuppa and talk to you about it.

cerdo
02-10-2009, 02:21 PM
"Hi Dave, yes its a very long time no see !! Wouldnt you just love to get an old Bucaneer back in the water? p.s. im often at my Dads, ill have to come over some time."

robert_bodner
03-03-2009, 11:19 AM
"where can I buy repair manual for 1987 Fun Jet, also interested in locating parts for the jet pump."

surfboy26
06-08-2010, 07:52 AM
"Hi Phil, The original engine was a 2 cylinder rotax type 373 water cooled. The engine that is in your boat could be a British Anzani 3, this most probably is a modification,If you need ant more info just throw me a line. Are you in the uk?"

Hi Cerdo,after months of research I finally stumbled onto your post. I also own a buccaneer and I am in the process of restoring it. You mentioned a Rotax 373 2 cylinder. I cannot find any markings on my engine expect for Rotax and that is why I have attached a picture of my engine if someone can maybe identify it. The engine that I have is still in perfect running order, except for when you put the boat into the water then it soon looses power. I have tested the compression on the cylinders and I am getting a reading of 800 kPa on it. I think it might be the timing thatís out. The Rotax engine that I have has electronic ignition on it and I canít seem to find the timming marking on it. If you or perhaps someone reading this post has the manual for this engine, carburettor or boat, please be as kind as to forward it to me

celiamount
07-27-2010, 12:22 PM
I can suggest you to find it out online.There must you will easily get lots of manual of your type.

FlyingHover
10-28-2010, 01:07 PM
Hi all.. great to see these posts on the Brealey Smith Buccaneer..i can confirm the Engine was a Bombardier Rotax 372 engine and NOT a 373 as per Cerdo's post...The Bombardier Rotax 372 twin cylinder watercooled 372cc engine was the FIRST watercooled prototype engine made by Bombardier rotax..This was made as a replacement for the Bombardier rotax 318cc single cylinder aircooled engine that was fitted to the Very FIRST SEADOO in 1968 Produced by Bombardier..The Bombardier rotax 372 was the first watercooled designed engine for the Second Generation SEADOO that was to have been released in 1970..But alas Bombardier decided to shelve the whole project due to problems with the seadoo's unreliability and safety issues it had at the time. Time restraints and subsequent back orders for the world popular Ski Doo led to the cancellation of the whole Seadoo project and at that time was the demise of Seadoo..This led Bombardier to sell off the remaining Rotax 372 engines it had and to never produce them again..The Rotax 372 aluminium case was highly subsebtable to saltwater corrosion and fell apart very quickly and the engine electrics performed badly in wet conditions.The Bombardier Rotax 372 was fitted to the Brealey Smith Buccaneer but again proved unreliable hence the very short production run on the Buccaneer.As there was no watercooled engine alternative at the time Bucaneer production was cancelled.
Seadoo returned to the world stage in 1988 with the Seadoo 5801 model sporting a bigger and better hull..and a revolutionary Rotax 581cc twin cylinder watercooled engine that changed jet ski ing forever and the rest as they say is "history"..
To end this story i have myself a 1972 Brealey Smith Buccaneer recently Purchased for a Project and in the spirit of British ingenuity i plan to turn it into a W.I.G craft.fitting wings, tail section,ducted fan thrust and a much larger Rotax engine to power it along..
Hope this proved of interest to you Buccaneer enthusiasts......all the best...Bob

Dreadped
12-03-2010, 01:42 PM
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone was still around, regarding this thread. I have just been luck enough to buy one of these water craft. Would love to have a conversaion with someone, or a contact name and number for help and swapping info etc??
Apparently the head and barel is missing?
my email is [email protected]
Thanks in advance

Dreadped
09-30-2014, 01:19 PM
Hi All

If anybody wants to get in touch I have made a quick website to try and collate as much information as I can. The address is-
http://brealeysmithbuccaneerownersclub.webnode.com/
I also have a Facebook Page if you can find it, I can always send the link. My email above is also still active.