dave London
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Hi. I'm having problems finding a manual for my indmar 350 EFI ,serial number IC-946929
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In a '94 MasterCraft?Hi. I'm having problems finding a manual for my indmar 350 EFI ,serial number IC-946929
Hi and thanks. I have 96 mastercraft prostar 205 with the indmar 350 efi . Im seeking the following :
1 what gear oil ?
2 engine oil ?
3 winterize drain .. I can drain the 2 engine block drains, 2 manifold drains , remove J hose . Anything else ?
Search for 'TeamTalk' in your browser's search bar.Where do I find the Team Talk Forum ?
Don't overthink the engine- it's from the GM car/truck assembly line, but the harness/ECM and cooling are marine, with the ECM program created by a company in Indiana that specializes in marine systems, but has also expanded into other areas. Manuals are available online- I would recommend the Mastercraft version, but Clymer's has them, too.Done.
I truly appreciate the help. I have questions but let me further educate my self to reduce the questions and be efficient with communicating
I wouldn't run it in the garage- you need to think about where the water/anti-freeze will go.Can I run the engine in garage by adding water / anti freeze to the open sea strainer ?
You don't need a tub, a bucket works great. We used tubs because we winterized hundreds of boats/season.Hi.
Thanks jim... I'm getting there thanks to your guidance ...
I saw a YouTube guy used the duct plug below to attach hose to strainer . I'll catch the exhaust fluid in a tub.
You wrote " I only care about the first six feet" .....could you explain what is six feet ?
Any advice how to remove really stuck hoses ? Heat gun ?
Current winterize draining status :
1. Both block plugs removed
2. Both manifold plugs removed
3. J hose removed
4. Heater is not connected , there is a short hose connecting the two heater connector openings on the block and the two hoses too / from heater are disconnected and not used.
5. I could not get any other hoses off...too tight.
6. I have a professional boatheater.com bilge heater in the bilge . Texas in January can get like 20 below for one day.
7. I plan as insurance to run the engine on water to open thermostat then run on anti freeze
Question : anything else I'm missing ?
P.s. my.oil extractor arrived ...thanks
From ebay:
CONNECTIVITY FIBER OPTIC SIMPLEX DUCT PLUG, 1",
No,...... Drain the block, 'n manifolds, then add antifreeze if you wish,.....Hi there. Winterize time again and I appreciate your help.
Mastercraft 96 with indmar engine. couple of questions :
1. Would I be correct that before I flush engine with anti freeze that I run engine on lake water till engine is at running temperature, then I do the antifreeze process ?
2. How many gallons of antifreeze do I need to run through the engine ?
The service manual has no information about Winterizing.Thanks. So to confirm ...
1. cold engine
2. Drain 2 x block plug and 2x manifold plug, j hose
3. Run cold engine on 5 gallons antifreeze for about 3 minutes , engine remains cold
....am I correct ?
Thanks.The service manual has no information about Winterizing.
Using anti-freeze isn't absolutely mandatory. The trainer for MasterCraft service school had a business and never used anti-freeze- if there's no water in the engine, there's nothing that will cause the engine to crack. His shop offered haul out, so they started by adding fuel stabilizer at the customer's dock, drove the boat to the launch and before it was shut off, they fogged the engine, put it on the trailer and pulled it out of the way for other boaters before removing the drain plugs/disconnecting the hoses and pulling the plug(s) in the hull. They then drove to the shop or boat owner's home (taking a route with several hills along the way) and by the time they arrived, the water was out of the engine AND the hull. If the boat needed top be stored, shrink wrapped or serviced over the Winter, those were handled according to what was needed.
You can't run these engines for 3 minutes on 5 gallons of anything- they can suck a 5 gallon water jug (the kind from a water cooler) in 20 seconds if the impeller is good. If the engine has been drained (plugs removed and hoses disconnected & cleared of water), you can run antifreeze through it without warm-up as long as the plugs and hoses have been put on again. Just pull the plugs and check the hoses to make sure the antifreeze comes out of them.
I HATE Fake A Lake- it's a way to NOT pull water or antifreeze in at the rate needed and if someone walks around the boat when it's on the trailer, the plunger can fall away, which means it can overheat, ruin the impeller or whatever because nothing is entering the engine.
The oil cooler should be checked and cleared of any weeds/etc anyway, so I recommend buying a 5 gallon bucket, adding a hose fitting at the bottom and using a vinyl hose to connect it to the oil cooler inlet, with a ball valve, so the flow can be stopped and started, as needed.
I DO NOT like trying to pull antifreeze from a small jug through a regular garden hose, even if the jug is on top of a ladder. It eventually pulls the liquid in, but it's a slow process.
If you want more comments and opinions about this specific brands of engine and MasterCraft boats, you can go to the Mastercraft Team Talk forum- it has Winterization and other service topics stickied in the menu.
The only time the thermostat is open is when the engine is warm and needs to be cooled- at low temperature, the thermostat is closed, to maintain the temperature. However, if the block is drained, the intake manifold will drain, too. The thing about the boat being on the lake if it's already there, fine, but it can be Winterized easily enough on the trailer- just don't run it at high RPM. The Thermostat will close when cold antifreeze contacts it- that's one reason to drain the engine.Thanks.
You wrote "If the engine has been drained (plugs removed and hoses disconnected & cleared of water), you can run antifreeze through it without warm-up as long as the plugs and hoses have been put on again. Just pull the plugs and check the hoses to make sure the antifreeze comes out of them."
I drain as you advised. I prefer to use antifreeze as extra insurance . I don't use fake lake , I built a custom hose to bucket antifreeze.
Forgife my ignorance ...The only thing I don't understand is as follows:
I would have thought a warm engine with thermostat fully open, before adding antifreeze , would ensure the antifreeze gets "everywhere" inside engine , whereas a close thermostat might restrict the antifreeze.
Is there any value in doing this , it's easy to drop boat in lake to warm up , or is there totally no value at all ?
The heads and intake manifold have passages that allow water/coolant to pass between them- you do need to pull the hoses from the water circulating pump and any other low areas, make sure the oil cooler is free of debris and the hose leading to it is empty.Thank you again, forgive all the detail questions, I do seek to fully understand. One last question, i think this will answer it for me.
...... Would I be correct that given :
-cold engine
-thermostat shut
-block and hoses fully drained
.......then there is literally "no " point flushing antifreeze through as the closed thermostat diverts the antifreeze to the exhaust with no antifreeze going into the block ?
The engine serial number should be on a white sticker on the oil pan- they don't always stay on forever, but they stay on better than I would have expected.Thanks.
The serial number came from the paperwork when I bought it. I have a feeling a replacement engine was added in the past, I'm not sure. Where will i find the actual serial number stamped on the engine, ie Where abouts is it located on the engine.
You wrote "The Thermostat will close when cold antifreeze contacts it- that's one reason to drain the engine."The only time the thermostat is open is when the engine is warm and needs to be cooled- at low temperature, the thermostat is closed, to maintain the temperature. However, if the block is drained, the intake manifold will drain, too. The thing about the boat being on the lake if it's already there, fine, but it can be Winterized easily enough on the trailer- just don't run it at high RPM. The Thermostat will close when cold antifreeze contacts it- that's one reason to drain the engine.
I was discussing this with the service manager of the last boat dealer where I worked- he said that once it has been drained, he only cares about the first six feet of hoses (WRT antifreeze) and maybe, the raw and circulating water pumps because the rest of the engine doesn't have any water in it as long as the water rushes out of the plug holes. If it doesn't rush out, the area behind them needs to be 'chased' with a wire, to make sure sand, etc is allowed to exit.
One exception is the 4.3L six cylinder engines and I never heard about it until a few years ago, but they have a plug at the front that requires a square socket to remove- if that's not removed, the intake can crack.
Using antifreeze is a common practice, but it's not absolutely necessary as long as the water has drained out and the plugs aren't installed after draining.
4 block plugs? One is low on the block just above the oil pan, another is the knock sensor. The exhaust manifolds have a plug (or a hose that connects them that needs to be disconnected) at the rear end- what other block plugs do you have?You wrote "The Thermostat will close when cold antifreeze contacts it- that's one reason to drain the engine."
1st freeze coming in 1 week ...
I have drained the engine, removed the 4 block plugs and removed all hoses . I did buy anti freeze, boat is in lake on a float above the water. Is it OK to reconnect everything, warm engine up on lake water , lift the boat , drain engine again , remove thermostat, start engine, run anti freeze 5 gallons , then drain engine again and replace thermostat ? I know antifreeze not required but I'd rather be sure.
Chemical reactions in cold weather aren't as fast as in warmer weather. Read the instructions on ATV and RTV for acceptable temoerature range.Thanks.
When I said 4 block plugs I meant 2 on the lower block (1 on each side of engine and yes, one has the knock sensor ) and 1 on each of 2 exhaust manifolds so 4 plugs in total. They all drained nice and fast
I might keep boat on the lift all winter. We have mild winter in Dallas BUT about twice in the winter it goes down to the teens for a few days
I have registered with mastercraft team talk
You wrote "- I don't like trying to make a good seal on the housing in low temperature" ... could you explain further ?
You know the expression "belt & suspenders " , so I'm a bit that way inclined and although all hoses and plugs came off and drained well I'd still like to run antifreeze. You had mentioned that the cold antifreeze will close the thermostat hence the ideas to run engine on lake to normal operating temp , drain fully , remove thermostat and run antifreeze for 5gal then drain again and shut down for winter .
My main question is ...is it OK to run engine for a minute or two on antifreeze with thermostat removed. ?