Montgomery Ward Sea King 5

Author Message   William Baldridge New member Username: sandmanwv Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 05:48 pm:    I have looked through the posts but have not found anything relating to my situation. Recently I was left a boat and Montgomery Ward Sea King 5. Problem is it has been setting for about ten years and I know absolutely nothing about it. The model number is 35GG-9015A serial number is 474264 Can someone give me any info about it? I don't know what gas/oil mix I should use, I don't even know if it will run. Especially appreciated would be recommendations to restore it to proper running condition. Thanks   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:23 pm:    35GG9015A Looks to be a 1953 It looks like it's original spark plug was a J6J (you can look up its replacement), and 1/2 a pint to the gallon of gas. That's a 16:1 ratio, and it's going to smoke. Don't get carried away with using a leaner mixture. Some will tell you that with today's oils you can go leaner, but I wouldn't recommend it, especially if your going to be running it full throttle, It will need the lubrication. Be sure to use a good outboard 2-cycle oil.   Will New member Username: willsterman Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:13 pm:    I just picked up my grandfathers Sea King 5 hp Model 35GG-9014A, after having it serviced. I took it for a little spin and it ran fine. This one had sat for about 25 years, so I took it for service before I even tried to start it. The mechanic fixes lots of old motors and said he: Cleaned the points, probably checked the gap on them too, replaced the condensers, cleaned the carbs, and replaced the lower unit grease (oil?). Total charge $30. I couldn't believe the low amount I was charged. Before he looked at it he said he would determine if it was worth fixing since he couldn't get carburator parts and the coils were expensive. He did say they are good running motors if they don't have expensive or irrepairable problems. He recommended using good quality TCW III oil such as Mercury and mixing 20 to 1. He said 16 to one would foul the plugs too easily. My number is so close to yours, it must be about a 1953 also, although I'd like to know for sure. Mine doesn't put out much water from the exhaust grooves above the water, so I hope the impeller is OK. Good luck with yours.   Curt Jensen Member Username: mnobfan Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2007 Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 04:35 am:    Will, the 9014A is also a 1953 model year. I usually don't see more than light spray from the grooves on my Sea King but does increase some with increase in engine speed. As long as you can place your hand on the side of the motor (side covers removed) and not feel uncomfortable heat you shouldn't have a problem. From the sounds of it your mechanic knows his business. If in doubt ask him to do a tank test. Although it is highly probable he did that when he tuned it.   Curt Jensen Member Username: mnobfan Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2007 Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 04:40 am:    Hopefully someone else can explain the difference between the 9014A and 9015A. Both are 1953 5HP motors made by Gale for Wards. Cross referenced to Gale as models 5S10 and 5D10 respectively.   Will New member Username: willsterman Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 12:41 am:    Thank you Curt. I appreciate the information.   William Baldridge New member Username: sandmanwv Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 03:54 pm:    Where is the water pump located?? I took 4 bolts out of the bottom and there was oil and a shaft but no impeller.   Graham Lamb Advanced Member Username: galamb Post Number: 166 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 07:34 pm:    Not familiar with the motor, but it may be on the prop shaft instead of the drive. Some early Mercs were like this as well...   Konrad Visitor Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 02:12 pm:    Hello...I have read most postings from folks with Montgomery Ward Sea King outboard questions pertaing to Year Identification and manufacturer. I have a 5 HP Sea King Model # GG9001B, S/N 55596885. If anyone can provide information on this motor, it would be greatly appreciated. The motor is intact and has good compression. I added a 16:1 fuel oil mix and tried starting it with no luck. Figuring the points may need attention, I pulled the flywheel and found the ignition coils (2ea) with their insulators cracked from age?? The insulators look to be a red plastic material which is peeling and breaking away from the coils. I believe that that's the reason that I am not getting ignition. The points looked great and appear OK as well as the condensors. I would like to replace the coils and am wondering if there is someplace that still sells parts for these old motors. Anyone out there that can provide feedback - it will be greatly appreciated.   Will M Visitor Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:49 pm:    Konrad I am far from an expert; however, the mechanic that worked on my SeaKing used some parts from GLM marine. http://www.glmmarine.com/pdf/JohnEvin_Catalog.pdf Look at page 144 or thereabouts. My mechanic used condensors for an old evinrude. I'm not sure if the coils would work or not. GLM Marine may know, but they may not sell direct to the public.   DALE MAREK Visitor Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 02:50 pm:    I HAVE AQUIRED A WARDS SEA HORSE 5HP, WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO FIND PARTS IN CENTRAL TEXAS. MOTOR RUNS WELL. NEEDS WATER PUMP, PLUGS, POINTS, AND CARB KIT. THIS IS A MODEL XTV505554 WHAT YEAR WAS THIS MADE.   Konrad Visitor Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:11 am:    Thanks Will...very good information and also a very nice catalog. This will surely help get my 5 Horse Sea King King Model # GG9001B running again.   Lou Ondracek Visitor Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 03:13 pm:    I have a 1968 Sea King 5 hp model # GG-18801A. It ran good until this year. Can't get it started. It's getting gas to the carb, and I believe beyond that. I've cleaned and gapped the plugs but have not torn into it enough to check the points or such in the magneto. Anyone have any advice?   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:21 am:    Have you checked to see if you are getting any spark? Remove the plugs and rest the metal threads against a good ground, such as the engine block and pull the cord. Make sure there is spark jumping across the gap (do it in a shady spot). If so, squirt a couple drops of mixed fuel into the cylinder (or cylinders), reinstall the plugs and try. If it sputters, you likely have carburetor issues. If you left fuel in since last year, there is a good chance you have varnish and other gunk clogging the jets in the carburetor. Hope this helps.   Jeffrey Harris Visitor Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 09:37 am:    Hi, I've been reading these posts with a great deal of interest. Recently (Oct. 20, 2007) I was scuba diving in Lake Minnetonka when in about 7 feet of water I discovered a Montgomery Ward model#35GG-9015A Sea King 5 motor laying on the bottom. I brought the motor home with me. The lake has caused some corrosion and the gas cap is missing but I would think that this motor could be used for parts. It must have been running very well before it went to the bottom of the lake because it still has part of the boat in its grip. Does anyone have advise on what I should do with this motor? 612-221-1282   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 11:56 am:    Is the motor able to turn over, or is it seized up? If it turns over, it may be easily salvageable. One thing that worries me is that the gas cap is missing. It would be unlikely that the cap would come undone while submerged. What may have happened is that someone sunk it on purpose. I have heard of people taking old wooden boats out and sinking them on purpose, sometimes with old broken motors attached to them, or lying in the bottom to help them sink. Some claim it makes a good artificial reef for fish to gather. Regardless, if it is not seized, or too badly corroded, it would make a good project. Otherwise, use it as a decoration.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 2002 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 12:14 pm:    Jeffery, I would agree with Wayne. That was originally a pretty nice little motor. Built by Gale which was a division of OMC, so a fair number of the parts may be the same as a Johnson/Evinrude of the same era. That is a 1953, twin cylinder 5 horse model. Might be well worth disassembly, a good clean up and then an assessment of possibility of getting it running again....   Jeffrey Harris Visitor Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 12:14 pm:    I'd be willing to give this 5hp Motgomery Ward motor to someone. I have no where to display it myself. Anyone interested?   D L Ballard Visitor Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 01:48 pm:    We have an old Montomery Wards Sea King, decking has rotted where battery sits, any ideas on how to repair this? Thanks for any help. DLB   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 2994 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 07:34 pm:    I assume you are talking about the decking on the boat? Although this is an "engine" website, can maybe point you in the right direction. What material is the deck built with - wood? fiberglass? aluminum? steel??   Shelly LaGrange New member Username: tinkerbell Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2008 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 03:14 pm:    i have just purchased a montgomery ward with a 7 h\p by clinton my problem is how to lubricate the bottom unit can anyone help thank you.   MattTaylor Visitor Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 02:36 pm:    Hi... I have a VWB 52298 US Marine Sea KIng motor. I know it's a 1985 model. The motor will only run while it's choked. It will put around, but won't plane out while being choked... any ideas?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3260 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 03:26 am:    Sounds like the carb needs a good cleaning - probably a partially clogged jet...   MattTaylor Visitor Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:04 am:    Do you think Gumout or something would do it, or do I have to mechanically push something through the jet?(makes me nervous)Should I get a gasket kit for after the cleaning?   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 01:41 pm:    You could soak the non-rubber parts in carb cleaner to loosen gum etc. I have a trolling rod that uses wire line which is fine enough to fit through any jet holes I've ever come across and use that as well. If you can salvage the old gaskets and are 100% sure they seal properly, go ahead, but for the price I'd replace them. I'm not familiar with that engine, but there are likely some diaphrams inside the carb to pump the fuel that may have weakened over time. Although by your post it sounds like you intend to disassemble the carburetor, just make sure you don't use automotive carb cleaner in the fuel while the engine is running as it can damage your engine.   MattTaylor Visitor Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 02:10 pm:    Thank you so much Wayne for your knowledge and advice!   Gary Scovill Visitor Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:02 am:    My son was given a M Wards Sea King 3. Model GG9006A, SN 75X656795. It runs good, but he can't determine if its air or water cooled. There doesn't appear to be a water pump or inlet/outlet ports, but there are no fins that you might expect on a air cooled engine. Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 07:52 pm:    Hey Gary, Your motor appears to be a 1947-48. Made by Gale (OMC). It is water cooled, but the impeller is in the lower gear housing connected to the prop shaft vs having a water pump/impeller setup above the gears where you would normally find them. To get at it you have to remove the prop, then there is a plate you have to undo which will give you access to the impeller. There is a seal behind that that you should look at replacing if you have it apart. There are still impellers available out there. If you need to, you can email me and I can direct you to a few sites that you will likely find one at. Hope this helps.   Gary Scovill Visitor Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 12:20 pm:    Thank you so much Wayne. I will pass this on to my son, and email you off list. He is very good with small engines, but I'm sure he will need help finding parts.   chad bell Visitor Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 03:48 pm:    I've got 1 45GG-9015A I'm trying to get running with my father in law. He discovered the clutch cable (?) is broken. Any suggestions on where to start or where to find a drawing?   scott puffer Member Username: brim_buster Post Number: 64 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 05:26 pm:    chad, i have pdf repair manuals i will email you.   chad bell Visitor Posted on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 10:19 am:    Scott, Thanks alot, I really appreciate it. email is bellc@inopakinc.com or cebell71@comcast.net   Dave Ameigh Visitor Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 08:41 pm:    I have a 1948 5HP Montgomery Wards Sea King boat motor. Have had running in a barrel of water and it pushes oil through exhaust into oil a lot. Has'nt run in along time, will this clear up? Where would I get new rings? Where can I get a repair manual or even a motor brakdown picture. Thanks   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3367 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 11:56 pm:    Dave, if you have your date correct your motor will have been built by Gale (OMC). However, this is a 2 stroke, so the oil won't be a result of bad rings. Oil in the exhaust is quite normal. If you have a super excess it's because of either too much oil in the gas or motor is running a little too rich and not burning enough of your mixture up. You may be able to get a manual from www.discount-marine-parts.com   staciklang Visitor Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:17 pm:    I am desperatelt trying to figure out the year my 15HP Sea King was made. Can't register it until I found out. Serial#:30095 model#:VWB 52115B   staciklang Visitor Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:19 pm:    Sorry.... Sea King 15HP Model: VWB 52115B Serial: 87X 30095   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3409 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 04:32 am:    That is a 1978, Chrysler built (for Wards), twin cylinder 15 horse...   Scott Bowman Visitor Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 07:11 pm:    hey i have a 1968 ward sea king 6 hp and my pull start assembly has broken off the motor housing and info on where to find old parts or a repair manuel would be greatly appreciated, i have spent hours trying to find on the internet with no luck THANKS!!!   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3418 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 07:46 pm:    Scott, can probably get a manual from www.discount-marine-parts.com For parts, you can try www.twincityoutboards.com - not the cheapest recycler in the business, but have absolutely everything....   scott puffer Member Username: brim_buster Post Number: 76 Registered: 01-2008