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Travis Hardwick
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Username: fuzzy
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 09:41 pm: | 
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i just picked up this engine. M/N: K700 2107A S/N: 650 8010 Type: 6027370R. Everything works except the plastic gears that are on the tiller handle are stripped out. Any idea where I could find replacements. I seen in a couple of posts that Johnson/Evinrude parts may be able to be used but I'm not sure if they use the same style gears. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. |
richard naehr
New member
Username: rnaehr
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 06:55 am: |
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I have a wards sea king 7 hp,is the outboard air cooled?,and what is the oil fuel mix?the outboard started right up i used a 50 to 1 mix and onlr ran the motor for 3 minutes,i want to make sure i use the proper mix and needed to know do i use 2 cycle lawnmower oil to mix.thank you for your asssistance.richard |
scott puffer
Member
Username: brim_buster
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 08:54 pm: |
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50:1 |
Graham Lamb
Senior Member
Username: galamb
Post Number: 2491
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 01:11 am: |
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Travis, you could try www.twincityoutboards.com - a little expensive but have parts for almost every outboard produced.
Richard. If you are positive it's a 7 horse (and not a 7.5), then it is a 1969 model built by Eska (the only model year where a 7 was produced for Wards by any mfg). If that's the case it is an air-cooled engine (powerhead built by Tecumseh). You should be mixing at 24:1 using regular 2 cycle engine oil (lawnmower/chainsaw), not marine oil. It will run nice on 50:1 until you eventually weld the piston.... |
scott puffer
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Username: brim_buster
Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 07:10 pm: |
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i have sea king pdf files for carbs and complete tear down if you would like me to email them to you |
Travis Hardwick
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Username: fuzzy
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 08:14 am: |
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Yes, please send them to me. I already replaced the gears. I ordered the gears from McMaster Carr and they worked. But I would like to have a diagram in case something else is wrong. my email. the_trav_man@hotmail.com |
richard naehr
Member
Username: rnaehr
Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 08:05 am: |
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is it possible to hook up a temperature gauge to a 1968 33hp sea horse johnson,if it is ,how do you do it,once i get the water carculating properly,i want to have a gauge to look at ,to make sure it is ok,lastly what should the proper temperature be?pleas ereply |
Fred Harris
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 01:05 am: |
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Travis,
Please send me the sea king pdf files.
fm2gharris@aol.com
Thanks in Advance! |
Fred Harris
Visitor
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 10:39 pm: |
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Scott,
Please send me the sea king pdf files.
fm2gharris@aol.com
Thanks in Advance! |
Fred Harris
Visitor
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 08:50 am: |
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I have a brand new 1969 Wards-Clinton K700.
The manual says to use leaded gasoline. Does the 24:1 with regular 2-cycle oil make up for the unleaded gas? During the break-in period, it's calling for adding 1/2 pint of marine oil to the gas for the first 5 hours. Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance!!! |
Brian A.Adams
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Username: 6xtrout
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:28 am: |
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I all so have a 7hp Sea King outboard. Looking at the different posts I'm confused on which fuel mix to use. Is it 50:1 or 24:1 or some thing else? This was given to me and I don't even know the last time it ran.} |
Graham Lamb
Senior Member
Username: galamb
Post Number: 3018
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 08:33 am: |
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Fred, called for Leaded gas because the other option at the time was "white marine gas". You can run unleaded but you may want to change the fuel lines on the motor for 2 reasons. First, after sitting this long they may have dry rotted - secondly, the ethanol in the fuel now eats the old rubber which was not designed to handle it.
And yes, during the break in you run "more" oil to allow all the parts to settle in properly. So follow your instructions. Use regular two cycle motor oil (such as used for lawnmowers/chainsaws) NOT marine rated TCW-3 (or any of the TCW's) which are designed to burn up at lower temps in water cooled motors....
Brian, it may seem confusing because Sea King was built by a number of different companies over the years - so depending on the actual mfg and year it was built, plus whether it was air-cooled or water-cooled will affect what oil you run and at what ratio.
Post you model number and can give you answer... |
Frank Perras
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Username: frank_perras
Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 07:40 pm: |
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Graham I have been reviewing some of the posts here about fuel mixture for the 7.5 Sea King by Clinton and it looks like a 24:1 mixture but on my motor housing cover for the 7.5 it is printed 3 oz of gas per gallon 3 per gallon is a 50:1 ratio correct? but if this creates a problem then I would rather run it rich on 24:1 than sieze metal parts Pleas advise and thanks |
Brian A.Adams
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Username: 6xtrout
Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 09:09 pm: |
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Thanks for the info Graham, The engine is a Montgomery Wards built by Clinton Motors and the model # is k7002107 A. Hope this helps. |
richard naehr
Member
Username: rnaehr
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 07:52 am: |
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what is the fuel mix for a 1988 mariner 50 hp 3 cylinder? |
Graham Lamb
Senior Member
Username: galamb
Post Number: 3073
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 07:39 pm: |
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50:1 |
richard naehr
Member
Username: rnaehr
Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 07:44 am: |
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i have a 1988 50 hp mariner,is this made by yamaha? also theiris a prong plug tyhat comes from the electric connection to the motor,what does that go to ,a tach?,also their is a 5 or 6 prong plug that comes off the throttlr box ,what is that for? the motor runs just fine,i would like to know thank you richard |
richard naehr
Member
Username: rnaehr
Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:28 am: |
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i have a 1988 50hp mercury mariner,replace the selenoid,while tracing thew problem i took the control box apart,now it rund ,go's ingear and idles,but it does not accelerate how do i fix? |
Tracy Huffman
New member
Username: thuff66
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 11:49 am: |
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I am really confused about what fuel mix to use.
I have a Ward Sea King that says 7 on the cap so I am assuming that it is 7hp but it is mfg by Clinton and I saw a post that the only mfg co that made a 7hp for Ward was Eska? It is model K700 1106A, s/n 443328, type 60 27207R. Please help me figure this out. |
Graham Lamb
Senior Member
Username: galamb
Post Number: 3333
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 04:43 pm: |
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Tracy, sorry to confuse you, I did post that a number of posts back - my fault, missed a listing for the single model year (1973) that Wards sold a 7 horse Clinton model K700.
The K700 is actually the Clinton model number.
My Clinton manual for that model states to mix 3 ounces of oil to 1 gallon of gas. My math has never been the greatest but that sounds like about 40:1 (42.6:1 exactly) |
Tracy Huffman
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Username: thuff66
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 08:51 pm: |
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Thanks Graham that helps a lot and I really appreciate it. I hope you don't mind answering two more question for me. Do you know what the gap on the spark plug should be and do you know if this engine is air cooled or water cooled?
Thanks Again |
Graham Lamb
Senior Member
Username: galamb
Post Number: 3336
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 11:57 pm: |
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Tracy, this is an air cooled engine, so you should use regular 2 cycle motor oil such as used with lawnmowers - Marine oil is designed to burn up at the lower temperatures associated with water cooling and can cause problems for you.
The spark plug gap should be .025" and the points gap is .020" |
Tracy Huffman
Member
Username: thuff66
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 13, 2008 - 01:10 pm: |
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Thanks Graham, I appreciate the answer. |
Steve Martin
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Username: bassstomper
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:21 am: |
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Gentlemen, I have purchased a Wards Sea King 7HP K700 1106A. Not sure of the year. The problem I have is gas emmiting from a tiny hole under the air/fuel mixture screw. I was told it was a float problem. So I ordered a rebuild kit and replaced the main seat for the float. I have the float adjusted as high as I can and it still seams to be getting to much fuel. I am stumped. The engine runs perfect if you remove the vacuume tube from the impulse fuel pump and the gas stops squirting out of that hole. Any ideas would be appreciated. |
darwin roth
New member
Username: darwin
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:26 am: |
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I just bought a 1973 Wards clinton 7hp. It runs great. I was wondering, does it have a waterpump to cool the exhaust? I know the engine is air cooled but I read some where that some of these old air cooled still had a water pump....I checked the exhaust and it does not have any water coming out while it is running. I just don't want to burn anything up. tks |
william g moore jr
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Username: william_m
Post Number: 134
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:03 am: |
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There were 2 styles of water pump for that model. Most common was the 2" long with all the "feathers" on it the short pump would be one made for the small mercury out boards. It came in 2 shaft sizes, so you will need your old pump to get the right one. |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 03:09 pm: |
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thanks,,,where would I get one from? |
william g moore jr
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Username: william_m
Post Number: 137
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 04:08 pm: |
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They are still around- the merc one from any marina,(47-89980) and the tall one from sears or one of the many post I've seen links to. Sorry but I didn't write them down. (ward #220-136-5000) |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 08:01 am: |
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I found a waterpump and installed it, I am not getting any water spray from the pee holes that are above water level,,,,I am getting exhaust though. As far as I can tell I am not getting any water out of the lower exhaust either.
How do I tell if I have gotten the water discharge pipe to hook up correctly during installation? I took it apart a second time to check but no luck. |
william g moore jr
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Username: william_m
Post Number: 256
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 09:48 am: |
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They only pump when the engine is in gear??? So remove your prop and put in gear (so it won't eat the sides out of your trash can) You should get a misting from you upper exhaust relief. It never was real impressive. If you still have problems, take the power head off and spin the drive shaft with a drill. (use leather or something to protect the splines). It should pump right up the water tube- use cordless or cover your drill with a rain coat. |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 09:55 am: |
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great idea about removing the prop. Is it a lot of trouble to pull the power head?
Thanks for the reply |
william g moore jr
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Username: william_m
Post Number: 257
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 10:05 am: |
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No trouble, but the gaskets can be expensive, I've cut them from stock plastic asbestos sheet from Napa. Just takes a lot of time. Will send you the book. |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 07:00 pm: |
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success, I removed the upper pump housing, the impeller and the lower pump housing. I faced each of them off carefully with a flat file (I learned this trick with aluminum carbureator flanges on lawn mowers as a kid) and coated them with a sealer.
I decided to splurge and enlarge (a couple drill sizes) the water feed holes in the side of the foot. They just seemed puney and the part of the housing that they are in is not a structural area.
When I fired it up I had water every where, out the upper exhaust relief, out all sides of the powerhead gasket......lol, at least I have water. Also, I know exactly where the powerhead bolts are so now I can replace it. Thanks for the help and the manual is neat. |
william g moore jr
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Username: william_m
Post Number: 260
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 09:13 pm: |
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Glad you got her going. And there is still some summer left.
Sometimes that gasket under the power head will swell up and stop leaking on it's own. You might try tightening the bolts just a little while its running and see if the leaks stop.
Glad the book helped. It's a little generic, but seems to cover most of the permutations of those many manufactures. My biggest hurtle was parts numbers -and most of those are Wards numbers as I had access to their micro fisch sheets. Even have a list- but as they are out of business, and micro- fisch is obsolete, I left them out. When I'm done, I'll get the finished book on the web site. But need more feed back and find out where are the errors and hard to understand parts. |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 6
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 11:19 am: |
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I took the power head off and cleaned up the plate and both surfaces. I couldn't find any high temp gasket sheets so I decided to us a gray colored permatex brand liquid sealer that has a tem rating of 650 degrees. I have used it as a gasket replacement before with good luck. So, in about 24 hours (cure time) I will report in with results |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 04:12 pm: |
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tested it early, couldn't wait.. no leaks, only leak was at the shifter shaft and I am not going to worry about that |
william g moore jr
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Username: william_m
Post Number: 270
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 08:51 pm: |
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Pretty common leak there. If you get real bored you can remove the shaft and find a spot for an "O" ring seal with lots of grease. |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 08:14 am: |
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realllly bored....lol. Sorry gotta move to the next project, painting my daughter's room |
darwin roth
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Username: darwin
Post Number: 9
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 08:58 am: |
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want to hear a funny?
I have a down syndrome son, he is a handfull and really likes to tinker. I got the little engine all tuned up and carb set, it was really pulling on the high end. So I took it and put it on the boat to do a real test. It dies in the middle of the pond, won't restart no matter what I do. I hand paddle back to the bank, set it up in the garbage can. I try everything, finally I pull the flywheel, thought I must have broke the key and lost the timing. Everything is ok. Put it back to gether. Getting ready to pull the reed valves when I noticed a little water in the edge of the carb......I pulled the float bowl and found water.
I figure, pump the bulb a few times and clear out any water in the tank. A gallon later I realize my little helper had taken the garden hose and filled the gas tank....
He has been watching me work on this thing so he knew it was really important....lol
He pulls several stunts a day like this. It never gets dull at our house |
william g moore jr
Advanced Member
Username: william_m
Post Number: 277
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 09:22 am: |
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Gee dad he was just trying to be involved in what you were doing --the wet stuff goes in here ???Right?
Those little guys are so much fun! |
Graham Lamb
Senior Member
Username: galamb
Post Number: 5557
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 12:19 pm: |
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Moral of the story - a good water separating filter can even take care of the "unexpected"  |
darwin roth
Member
Username: darwin
Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 04:42 pm: |
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my little 7hp monty ward decided to get a hole in the brass fuel float.....have I read somewhere that I can go to a clinton lawn mower parts place and still get something like this. Or is Clinton a still going brand even? |
