5hp Sea King/ Montgomery Ward

Author Message   riboater New member Username: riboater Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 09:34 am:    Hi I just got this outboard and was looking for any info anyone might have. The MODEL# 669013A SERIAL# 55x576892 Is it a 66' I got it going for about 45 sec and then wore out my arm.   riboater New member Username: riboater Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 09:35 pm:    No sorry its Model GG9013A   tom f. Visitor Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 06:27 am:    i heard parts from johnson of same year and hp. will work. i have one too 5hp sea king 61   RH Nelson Visitor Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 06:24 pm:    got an OLD 7 1/2 hp Sea King, got it running, but need info on lubrication, etc. Any ideas on where to go for parts? MWards doesn't handle any more. Thanks   Andrew Menkart Moderator Username: andrew Post Number: 601 Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 06:35 pm:    RH, Do you have the model number? Some of the MW Sea King motors were made by GALE and certain parts for those motors are available from Johnson/Evinrude dealers or aftermarket suppliers. Some Sea King motors were made by Chrysler. You should post the model number so someone can detirmine what motor you have.   Robert Nowlin New member Username: bassmaster1234 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 08:48 am:    I have a 5hp Montgomery Wards/Sea King and I am trying to set my points. Tried to set them but don't know if I am doing it right. Do you set them in the starting position or the stop position? Model #94gg9014a anybody with a suggestion?   Matt Gormley New member Username: riboater Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 02:45 pm:    Sorry can't help you I can't get my going for more than 10sec. I have teeth missing I think. It skips alot while tryin to start. Any ideas anyone?   Robert Nowlin New member Username: bassmaster1234 Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 03:28 pm:    My motor runs am to checking to see if my points are gapped right.   Matt Gormley Member Username: riboater Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 05:39 pm:    It says "set points to ___" I'd have to look again. What are points, the gap on the plugs?   Robert Nowlin New member Username: bassmaster1234 Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 06:24 pm:    Points are set at .020" and the spark plug gap is .030   Matt Gormley Member Username: riboater Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 07:40 pm:    Thanks   Robert Nowlin Member Username: bassmaster1234 Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 08:10 am:    I have completely overhauled with new fuel lines, filters, screens, rebuilt the carb, new spark plugs, and I am using 24:1 fuel. The motor cranks on the fisrt pull but once I adjust the speed knob the motor speeds up and slows down and so on I am aslo trying to adjust the carb but nothing happens. Regapped the points, also sparyed engine tuner waited overnight restarted engine and basicly ran the same but had moments were it ran fine, but it stills surges. To me it sounds like I have been getting bad gas lately. I am using regular gas only. Also been using Lucas 2-cycle oil tcw3 and stabil in the gas. Ran a compression check on the motor and the top spark plug hole had 80 and the bottom had 75 I don't know much about outboard motor sa are these numbers ok for a 1949 montgomery wards/sea king(94gg9014a). Or do you think that I should tare the engine down and but new rings? Or just trash the motor?   corym0284 Visitor Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 04:44 pm:    I have a 1961 Sea King 5hp and I have been looking all over for carburator parts. I just found a lawn mower service shop that has the parts. My cousin is the parts guy there and says Lawn Boy manufactured these motors for OMC. Thought it might help someone. Thanks.   scott barnett New member Username: seaking5 Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2007 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 01:35 pm:    I have a old sea king 5hp runs great, but waterpump bad, i need help on finding parts and finding out what year it is model#gg18736b serial# 16x821994 thanks   Andrew Menkart Moderator Username: andrew Post Number: 1205 Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 01:45 pm:    GG-18736B is a 5HP from 1961 made by GALE MANUFACTURED PRODUCTS. I believe most of the parts will be the same as for a Johnson/Evinrude of the same year... but it looks like the Johnson/Evinrude models that year were 5.5HP not 5HP. I don't know if a 1961 5.5 J/E was the same as a 5HP GALE. Maybe someone else here knows... For waterpump parts see waterpump application guide.   scott barnett New member Username: seaking5 Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2007 Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 10:06 am:    i took the 4 bolts out of the bottom foot to get to the water pump,it comes down about 1 inch and stops ,what do i do to get it the rest of the way off please help, thank you   ron boudreau Visitor Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 01:36 pm:    Is the sea king Montgomery Ward Model 94GG9014A a 4 cycle or a 2 cycle? it's from the 50's ron   ron boudreau Visitor Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 06:13 pm:    i just bought a montgomnery ward 5 hp Model 94GG9014A motor ad they guy i bought it from said he had it running for 20 minutes and everything was a ok. The lean/prime dial was bent so i unscrewed to fix and and when screwing it in it stops and i dont know have times it suppose to be unscrewed to set the knob any guesses Ron   Lou Ondracek Visitor Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 11:45 pm:    I have a Sea King 5hp, I believe is a 1968. The model # is GG18801A. Anyone know who made this motor? Lou   Todd Lerum Visitor Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:53 pm:    I have a Sea King five with a model number GG9001C Can any one tell me what year it was made and who made it?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 1681 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 07:44 pm:    Todd, should have started a new discussion - you could have got lost here You have a 1956, twin cylinder, made for Montgomery Wards by Gale. Gale was a division of OMC (Johnson/Evinrude) until they scrapped the line. The Gale model (OMC sales) of this motor would have been a Buccanner 5S12B.   Dennis Luoma Visitor Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 06:31 pm:    Does anyone know is my Sea King GG18736B models water cooled or air cooled. Where is the water pump, how does the water exit the engine? There is exhaust coming from the exhaust port, is water to come out the same port? I don't want to burn it out. Thank you. Does anyone know where I can obtain an owners manual?   Ray Doddridge Visitor Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 09:20 pm:    I have a sea king mdl J2001106a anyone know the gas oil mixture? 5 hp   scott puffer Member Username: brim_buster Post Number: 26 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 06:54 am:    why do we have 60 post on one thread???????   Mark Halvorsen Visitor Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 05:56 pm:    I just picked up a 5hp montgomery ward outboard. model #35GG-9015A. serial #479905. Can anybody tell me the year and manufacturer. I wanted to go through it before I tried starting it. Need some pointers as this is my lst outboard. Any help would be appreciated. Also where I might pick up a owners manual.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3002 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 08:25 pm:    That's a 1953 model, twin cylinder, 5 horse built by Gale (OMC built). The equavalent Gale model would have been the Buccaneer model 5D10. You might find an owners manual at www.discount-marine-parts.com - parts may be difficult to come by - OMC's Gale line was built mostly for discount/hardware stores who branded them under their various store names, but it did share a fair number of parts with the Johnson's and Evinrudes in the same time period....   Mark Halvorsen Visitor Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 11:16 am:    Graham, thanks for the info. Didn't realize there was two cylinders to the moter. I also have the same issue that Craig has with his 7 1/2 hp motor. An open throat to the carb.   Bob Bredeweg New member Username: brede Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2008 Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 07:59 pm:    I have Sea King 5 hp from MW around a 55. Having problem with gas leaking from the bowl. How does the cork float affect the flow of gas? Does anyone know how this is supposed to work? Model # is G09001C   J G. Long Visitor Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 12:37 pm:    I have a 5Hp Sportfisher. It's a single cyl. air cooled model. I have two questions. First, I have looked all over the motor, housing and everywhere for a model number. The only number I can find is on a tag on the block. T-643-05 6046345 Secondly, which may be related to first. The carb. needs a kit. Is there a way of getting carb. kits and parts without knowing the engine model number. Thanks John L.   Carrie Russell Visitor Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 09:12 pm:    I recently purchased a 5hp Sea King from Montgomery Wards. The motor does not work. Does anyone know the year and manufacturer? Where can I find a service manual for this motor?   Carrie Russell Visitor Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 09:15 pm:    I'm sorry, I'd like to add my model #:45GG9014A my Serial #:557083 Thank you.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3185 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:23 am:    Carrie, that is a 1954 Gale, built by OMC - so it did share alot of parts with Johnson/Evinrude during the same period. A running version of that motor can be obtained in the used market for under 100 bucks, so keep that in mind before you spend alot on it. The boys at www.discount-marine-parts.com may be able to help you out with a manual....   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3186 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:37 am:    Sorry John, almost missed you there. Well, you just happen to be in luck. The Sportfisher models were only built in 1970 and 71. The motor itself was built by Eska for Montgomery Wards (not good since both are out of business) - But... Tecumseh built all the powerheads for Eska, so just about any small engine place can help you out with engine parts - the motor itself was also used on thousands of 5 horse lawnmowers out there... The carb kit you want is part number DI-52030. For other engine parts, the Tecumseh motor which corresponds to your power head is either TEC-643-05A (or B) - both will work...   John G. Long New member Username: jlong Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2008 Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 09:09 pm:    Graham, Thank you for the information on my 5hp. John   Eddie Neal Visitor Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:48 pm:    I recently acquired and Montgomery ward Sea King 5hp outboard and was wondering what year it is. Here is the Model number and serial number: Model#: GG18736D Serial#: 26x834010 Any information is greatly appreciated!   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 01:09 am:    It's a 1962 5 Horsepower. I believe OMC's Gale division was still making Sea King's at this time, and most parts were interchangeable with Johnson's and Evinrudes. I also believe the fuel/oil ratio was still 24:1.   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 01:10 am:    Sorry for the double post, but to avoid confusion, my response was to Eddie Neal.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3205 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 02:40 am:    You are correct Wayne - the GG indicates it was built by Gale, and the 24:1 is correct as well   Eddie Neal Visitor Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 01:36 pm:    Thanks guys!   Larry Davis New member Username: sgtlarry Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2008 Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 01:35 pm:    Brand new user here, I need some help identifing the year, maker and oil to gas mix for an old sea king motor. Model number GG8977A serial number 85x717828   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3225 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 02:10 am:    Larry, that is a 1958, twin cylinder, 5 horse Gale (OMC) which was built for Montgomery Wards and sold under the brand name Sea King. Gale shared alot of parts with the other OMC's of the same vintage (Johnson/Evinrude) but was definately it's own brand. This model would have also been marketed by Gale as a model 5S14 under it's "Buccaneer" model line.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3226 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 02:17 am:    Sorry Larry - you can mix this at 24:1 - regular unleaded and TCW-3 Marine 2 stroke oil will work great. You may want to replace the gas lines "under the hood". If still original, the rubber was not designed to handle the ethanol blended gasoline on the market now. It does quite a number on the hoses and can cause no end of problems. Any automotive aftermarket place can hook you up with a foot or so of gas hose (automotive is fine - don't need to chuck the bucks at a marine dealer, it's all the same)....   Larry Davis New member Username: sgtlarry Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2008 Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 11:41 am:    Thanks Graham, appreciate the info. will get the hose.   Keith Cotton Visitor Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 09:21 am:    Brand New User Here, I see there is a motor close to the one that my Father in law gave to my son. It is a Sea King 5hp twin. It hasn't been run in years, but I used a 24:1 ratio. It runs pretty darn good. It looks like that is what I need to use, please comfirm. Model Number 8960A, Serial Number 75X689879. I am guessing that it is a 1957. Your help is greatly appreciated.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3287 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 12:57 pm:    Keith, you are correct. You have a 1957, 5 horse, twin cylinder, water cooled model built by Gale (OMC). The Wards model number was GG8960A which was the equivalent of the Gale Model 5D14 (Buccaneer). 24:1 is the correct ratio. You may want to spend a few bucks at Napa (or the like) and get some new gas hose for under the hood. If original it doesn't stand up well to todays gas, especially if it contains ethanol/methanol or alcohol (kinda turns the rubber to goop and plugs everything up).   Keith Cotton Visitor Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 01:11 pm:    Graham, Thank you for your input. After reading that other thread about the gas hose, I had already planned on replacing.   randy springston Visitor Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:31 am:    new user here. i just bought a 5 hp sea king at auction. model number is vwb19072. serial number is 46x12384. can anyone tell me year of mfg and oil to gas mix. it was sold by montgomery ward. many thanks for any help.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3429 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:46 am:    Randy, that's a 1964 Chrysler built twin cylinder. At that vintage it will mix at 24:1   SCOTT MOHRING Visitor Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 06:54 pm:    wanted to know the right fuel mixture for a 7 horse power montgomery ward sea king outboard motor. Model #K7002107A. serial #654926 type no 6027370R Thankyou if you have the answer...   Bob Reikes Visitor Posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 10:39 am:    Just got a 1957 Sea King (wards) 5hp. for free off Craig's list. Quite pristine and with a thorough cleaning it fired right up. It needs a water pump though and I don't remember the secret on those oldies to get at it. Can't find a manual for it. Help!! Thanks, Bob   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 01:27 pm:    I have a 1955 Viking, which is identical to a similar SeaKing. One was sold by Montgomery Ward, the other (Viking) was sold by Eaton's Canada. I had to remove the powerhead to get at the nut (or 2) to disconnect the shifter. You then remove the gearcase housing and shifter rod together. I believe your motor uses a fairly common impeller. My guess it is part 18-3001 at www.vintageoutboard.com, it is also available at NAPA auto parts. I believe they just call it 183001. I'm not 100% sure that this is the correct one, but believe that is the one I used. I have a picture and description if it helps. You can email me if you like (click on my name and it will give you my email address). Good luck.   LB Visitor Posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 01:59 pm:    Looking for information for MW Sea King in order to get parts (water pump, gaskets & seals for lower unit). Model # VWB 52056, Ser# 47X20646, 55 B.H.P. Can anyone help with year and motor info??   Stephen Blankenship New member Username: blanky36 Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2008 Posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 10:47 pm:    I have a 1964 seaking 5hp that I haven't used for a while. Is the ratio 32:1 or 50:1?   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 02:07 am:    1964 was the first year of 50:1 for this motor. 1963 was 24:1. Big difference.   t-towner Visitor Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 03:27 am:    Just acquired a 5hp sea king guessing 61 or 62 to use as a kicker motor; model# is GG18736 but does not end with a letter A, B, C, or D. First, what do the letters signify? Second, what should gas ratio be? Third, would it kill it to use it in salt water? Is there a good vendor site out there for similar J or E parts with pic diagrams. Any info appreciated.   t-towner Visitor Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 03:48 am:    Follow up question re: 5 hp sea king - there was mention in the thread that J and E of same year might have similar parts, but what J ane E were 5.5 hp not 5 hp. Anyone know if in fact they're interchangable?   Tony Hernandez New member Username: tony_h Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2008 Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 02:03 pm:    I have a 5 hp sea king model #GG9002A serial #55X601092. Don't have any more info on it. Looking for parts for the lower unit. Any leads appreciated.   Wayne Rowlinson Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 71 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 06:19 pm:    I can tell you that it’s a 1956, made the Gale division of OMC. Some Johnson/Evinrude parts will fit, but I’m not sure about the bottom end. What exactly are you looking for? You can still get impellers, and maybe seals for the bottom end. Check out www.vintageoutboard.com   Tony Hernandez New member Username: tony_h Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2008 Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:41 am:    This motor sat in a guys barn for I don't know how long, but the wishbone shaped link that hooks to the shifter rod and to the clutch or dog is rusted in half.I have enough of a pattern that I'm going to try and make one, but I would rather have something of better quality. Thanks for the info so far.   Garykozee Visitor Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 05:25 pm:    I have a gale gg9001c model 5 HP engine. Did not come with a water tube to deliver the water from the pump to the motor. Where can I get one.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 3872 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 07:44 pm:    You can try www.laingsoutboards.com   Donn Voyles Member Username: olliebird Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2008 Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 09:39 am:    After installing a new impeller on my 5hp m/w sea king (1956? model GG9002B) I cannot remember which way the little piece down on the lower unit should face. It is about 3/4 inch wide and 3 1/2 long, it has 4 extruded vents in it. I assumed they would have the vent openings facing the prop but a friend told me he thought they went the other way. Anyone familiar with what I am talking about?   Wayne Rowlinson Advanced Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 113 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 11:14 am:    If I'm thinking of the right part, I believe this is the information you are looking for: http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/03/r/columns/max/06/sb4.gif   Gregory Sharpe Visitor Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 08:19 am:    I need help figuring out what model 5 hp Sea King outboard I have. I traded a mini bike for it. It starts and runs well but stalls after running 2 minutes at slow speed. I have looked under the bonnet and all I found was starting instructions, spark plug, and case lube recommendations. Some of the parts have numbers that begin with 55. I found a photo of one that looks like mine and attached the image. I am replacing the fuel lines and filter. I also plan to change the plugs (two cylinder). The engine fuel line connector takes the Johnson/Evinrude type. My neighbor suggested checking for a worn flywheel keyway. He said he had this problem with a Sea King motor he once had. I'd like to get a manual.   Dakota Farrulla New member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 10:46 am:    Hi guys, new to the forum and see that there is a ton of info here. Great site. I just bought a 5 hp Montgomery Ward Sea King MODEL 94GG9014A. It has the SERIAL No. 245605. I Believe it is either a 1949 or a 1950. Does anyone have info on this engine, such as where to find parts and specs? Also, I see that a lot of the parts are interchangeable with other manufacturers. Is that the case with model # 94GG9014A? I'd appreciate any advice or info.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 4789 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 10:58 am:    Dakota, that is a 1949 model built by Gale which was a division of OMC (Johnson/Evinrude). The Gale brand was sold mostly at hardware stores etc rather than OMC's own dealers - and was also branded under stores own brand names such as Sea King in the case of Wards. The Gale's did share a number of parts with J/E's of the same period. A good source for parts for these is www.laingsoutboards.com - they carry most items you would need to maintain one of these motors.   Dakota Farrulla New member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 11:16 am:    Thanks Graham and Happy Easter. When I go to the site, should I search for parts under J/E?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 4792 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 11:40 am:    No, Laings carries "Gale" parts - just have a look down the left side of the page and follow the Gale link.... Your Wards model is a carbon copy of Gale's own "Buccaneer" models - so if you are in the market for a manual, you could try www.discount-marine-parts.com - tell them what you have and there is a good chance they will either have a manual in stock or can get one is short order... I've used Laings and they do know their stuff and can give good advice too if you ask. I have a late 50's, 40 horse Gale (that no longer see's alot of use, but it's still a great motor) and they have been supplying the parts to keep it running for quite a while now...   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 07:17 am:    What is the fuel/oil ratio for the 5hp 1949 Gale?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 4871 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 11:25 am:    It would be 24:1...   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 08:03 pm:    Ok Graham got it running, but I do not know a thing about the controls. I read the plate to get it started, but I keep having to adjust the prime/lean knob when I adjust the speed control lever to get it to run at its smoothest. Is this normal? Also, when it comes to the manual trim, I see that I have an moveable pin on the mounting plate and a piece with grooves in it that fits against the pin located on the shaft. There is a spring loaded piece on the shaft. Is this supposed to lock when the shaft is lowered to keep the engine in a fixed position? I appreciate all of your time!   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 4880 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 10:16 pm:    No, you should warm it up at idle and then do your adjusting, slowly, allowing it time (15-20 seconds) to adjust to the change you made and then leave it alone. If it stumbles after it's set that could indicate some crud in the carb or a bad gasket etc which usually requires pulling the carb, cleaning it out and throwing in some new gaskets. But it could be an old spark plug as well, so change unless new. The "tilt pin" or "thrust pin" (you can choose your term) can be set to trim the motor properly for the boat you have it on. It's usually a case of playing around a bit - set it, see how it works, move it up or down one pin spot, try again - to see if one spot works a little better at getting the boat up on plane etc - but with a small horse motor it normally doesn't make a whole lot of difference...   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 07:40 am:    Is this engine air cooled or water cooled? What oil should I go with? A TCW-3 or a TC (weedeaters, chainsaws, etc.)   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 4888 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 12:26 pm:    It's a Gale, so it's a water cooled outboard. Treat as you would a more recent model. If I didn't mention it before, you may want to invest 10 bucks at your local Napa parts store and pick up some new gas line (for under the hood). The old rubber lines which would have been used on this model do not stand up well to todays gas that is blended with ethanol. So just take a piece of hose with you and get a couple of feet and swap it out.   Larry Locklear New member Username: dwightlockear73 Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 10:04 pm:    I have a 1951 Montgomery Ward Sea King model #15GG-9015. I am looking for carburetor parts for it. Would like to know if anyone knows any other brand I can use for parts that would work. If so, please let me know. Thank you.   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 4967 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 11:01 pm:    Larry, that is actually a 1951 Gale. Check out www.laingsoutboards.com (under Gale parts) they will probably have what you need.   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 08:43 pm:    Graham My lower unit gear oil drain/fill bolt hole is stripping and I am having gear oil leak. Any thoughts on a solution?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5000 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 09:48 pm:    You have 2 basic choices - you can go to a local autoparts place and get a "helicoil", it will replace the threads. Second choice, have the hole "tapped" and use a slightly larger plug.   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 10:31 pm:    What size helicoil would I need?   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 10:33 pm:    I took the boat out (before I was aware of the gear oil leak) and it would fire right up and idle pretty decent, but would sputter and when I tried to open it up. I took the spark plugs off and they both look extremely black and one did not have a gap at all. What should I set the gap at and what spark plugs should I get.   Larry Locklear New member Username: dwightlockear73 Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:14 pm:    I am looking for a water pump and installtion instructions for an Eska Com. Golden Jet 600 1963 Model No. 1124 Serial No. 2590. If you know where I can get one or have one willing to let go please let me know. Thank you.   Josh Michaelis New member Username: josh_michaelis Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:27 pm:    I have a 1960 Sea King that I just got home today, started it in the barrel and it started right up and ran, but all I know about outboards is that they are air cooled, or they have to have water cycling through them. Thats about the extent of my outboard knowledge, and that may not even be right. My question is, is this motor air cooled, and if its not, shouldnt it be spitting out water from somewhere when it is running in the barrel, because its not. Thanks ahead of time   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5027 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 12:09 pm:    Josh, a 1960 5 horse SeaKing will have been built by Gale (formerly a division of OMC). That would be a water cooled model, but it does not have a tell-tale (pee stream). There will be a relief hole or two on the leg of the motor an inch or so below the bottom of the powerhead that will kinda (spit) out water - it gets blown out of the little hole(s) by exhaust pressure, or may be observed to kinda weep or leak out. In any event, since the motor is new to you, a new impeller, gear oil, and pair of spark plugs (this should be a twin cylinder model) are in order... Parts for a 1960 Gale can be obtained from www.laingsoutboards.com if you need a source...   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5028 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 12:11 pm:    Larry, try this link for everything "eska"... home.earthlink.net/~brixent/   Josh Michaelis New member Username: josh_michaelis Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 01:06 pm:    thank you very much graham. The motor is working properly and sounds good, but I am going to order a new impeller anyways.   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 01:10 pm:    Graham: What size helicoil would I need? I took the boat out (before I was aware of the gear oil leak) and it would fire right up and idle pretty decent, but would sputter and when I tried to open it up. I took the spark plugs off and they both look extremely black and one did not have a gap at all. What should I set the gap at and what spark plugs should I get?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5034 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 02:59 pm:    Don't know off the top of my head and don't have a size listed in any of my early OMC manuals.   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 11:44 am:    Graham I was able to cross reference the plugs that I pulled out and I picked some up off of ebay. Any idea where the vent is located that I would unscrew to fill the lower unit oil? The only screw I see is on the opposite side, but it is at the same level as the fill/drain plug. I figured it would be higer up on the lower unit. Thanks for all of your help.   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 11:00 pm:    What is the float adjusment for a 1949 Sea King? Should the primer lever be in contact with the float pin?   william g moore jr Member Username: william_m Post Number: 56 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 02:08 am:    The float should be level with the carb body when held inverted. The primer pin should have a spring under it to keep it off the float till you want to force the float open to flood the motor.   K Hall New member Username: skfive Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 09:22 pm:    Where would I find a manual and or parts catalog for a Sea King 5 Model GG9001B? What year is this motor and what is the mix ratio? 16:1?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5306 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Monday, June 08, 2009 - 12:27 pm:    K, that is a 1955 model built by Gale (OMC division) for Wards. Gale manuals are still available - try a websearch (can't think of the one or two places I have seen them listed). Your model is identical to Gale's own model 5S12, sold under their own name. You can mix this model at 24:1 and all should be fine. Common maintenance parts for this are still very much available from www.laingsoutboards.com   Dunkly DeCew New member Username: dunk Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 06:48 pm:    Hi, i just bought a 5 hp sea king. Can you tell me what year it is? Model # GG8960a, Serial # 75x707277. Is it water or air cooled? If it's water cooled do i have to pull the block to get to the pump? Thanks   Will Satak New member Username: buckbacaw Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 10:55 pm:    My Sea King 5 did not seem to make any of the lists I looked at. The plate states: Clinton Engines Corp. Maquoketa, Iowa U.S.A. Model: J500 1106B Serial: 354516 Type: 60 27005R Can I assume this was made in 1953? Best all around plug? Thanks for your help folks. Buck   joe thomas New member Username: amadfisherman Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 09:46 pm:    took lower unit bolts out and cant find shifter linkage access panel how do i take shifting rod out of case to get lower unit off to change water pump ? its a 63 sea king 5 horse thank you   Terry Beal New member Username: terrybeal Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:36 am:    Hi I just found this site and was wondering if anyone could tell me what year this motor is it is a Sea King Five Model GG18736 Serial number 16X823592 I Just picked it up this weekend. Did they make a two cylinder as I have two spark plugs. Also is it 2 or 4 stroke as the person I got it from did not know. Thanks, for any help   stuart allen New member Username: stucattt Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 05:49 pm:    just found an old sea king montgomery ward outboard motor in back of a garage. looking for some info on it but cant find a site online that will accept the model no. model no. is gg9016b and the serial no. is 65x620291 it is in great condition and i want to get it going agian but i cant even tell how many HP it has   Tim Kellay Member Username: tim_k Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2008 Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 06:26 pm:    Stuart, you have a 1956 12 HP made by Gale, a division of OMC. Terry, yours is a 5 HP by the same maker, 1961 (suffix a, b, or c) or 1962 (suffix d). Both 2 stroke, 2 cylinder. I like these motors.   stuart allen New member Username: stucattt Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2009 Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 07:30 pm:    thanks tim got another question its been sitting at least twenty years. was wondering what steps should i take before trying to start it up. (spark plugs, leaded fuel or not, oil and gas mix?) pretty lost when it comes to boat motors   Tim Kellay Member Username: tim_k Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2008 Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 09:03 pm:    Stuart, I'm not an expert, just having fun learning. A few good resources to begin learning how to fix older motors, IMHO: - Start with the FAQ section of the marineengine.com motor forum - If you can't find an answer searching FAQ or existing posts, post your question with as much detail about your motor and issue as you can in a new thread. - The Antique Outboard Motor Club has lots of info about old motors http://www.aomci.org/ - The Book Cheap Outboards by Max Wawrzyniak teaches you a lot about Evinrudes and Johnsons from the 50's and 60's. I believe you can order it from this site. A lot of Max's articles are available on the web. Have fun!   ron kittle New member Username: goducks70 Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 01:26 pm:    sorry for the redundancy but I have a sea king 5h.p. model GG18736D I purchased it with a sears boat mfg. n 1975 assume the motor is around the same year. I've had it running a few times but seems to only run on near full choke, have replaced fuel lines tank primer bulb and plugs, was told that 3 oz. of 30wt oil to 1 gal. was the appropriate mix, would appreciate some input, have been told that the fuel delivery (pump) system may need help. removed unit and gasket and diaphragm seemed brittle, either way now I need a replacement...HELLLLLP!!!   william g moore jr Advanced Member Username: william_m Post Number: 292 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 04:33 pm:    For parts you might check these places "Twincities outboards", "Laingsoutboards", "DiscountMarine Parts" "Crowley Marine" "Franzmarine" You can run 50/1 TCW rated oil for 2 strokes. The 30wt engine oil will not be what you should be running.   Dakota Farrulla Member Username: ruler7171 Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:46 am:    Graham Lamb I know that my 49 Sea King is water cooled, but where does the water exit the outboard?   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5771 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 12:40 pm:    Right down the leg (exhaust housing) and out the exhaust (above the prop). There may be a couple of relief holes on the leg up near the base cowl that will kinda spit or weep water that can indicate if it's pumping ok (but still can't normally see that if the boat is in motion - can't hang off the back of the transom to get a look at the back of the leg when underway), so for the most part you just have to keep the waterpump serviced and trust that it's doing it's job...   Kelly Bernitt New member Username: kelly_b Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:53 am:    Looking for info on a Sea King 5 hp model #GG18801A SN# 36X882290. Anyone know where I can get parts and also motor info??   Graham Lamb Senior Member Username: galamb Post Number: 5785 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 09:16 pm:    Kelly, that is a 1963 Gale (which was a division of OMC at the time). Nice little twin cylinder model. Most of the Wards models were based on Gale's own Buccanneer line (think I spelled that wrong), but I can't find a cross reference to their own model. www.laingsoutboards.com has numerous parts for Gale's and original manuals for these are not difficult to find either (try a websearch)...   kevin berglund New member Username: streetillegalsports Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Monday, August 03, 2009 - 08:57 pm:    looking for a year for this 5.0hp twin. its model # is gg9003a serial 75x701440. Also is it watercooled and is it supposed to have mechanical points, because mine has a point gap of .020 wrote on the flywheel but underneath there is no points just coils and condensors as far as I can tell. does anyone still sell the points?   kevin berglund New member Username: streetillegalsports Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 05:05 pm:    just wondering if anyone knows what the tube is that comes off the bottom of the engine right above where it rotates. Its a little 1/8" metal 90 degree bent tube that comes out by the bottom end of the crank and points straight down. When you turn the engine it pushes out air on the exhaust cycle. I would think it should be connected to something but I dont know what or where. Any suggestions would be great I found out its a 1957 5 horse 2 cyl water cooled with points that I will need to buy I just unseized the engine today and just need points and to hook up that tube and it should run   Stephen Ray Sluder New member Username: srsluder Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 06:11 am:    I just received two 1948 motors. Their both 5 hp. One is a Sea king distributed by Montgomery Wards, made by Gale. The other is a Sea Bee distributed by Goodyear, I think it must be made by Gale too because the motors are pretty much identical. Nether one of them has spark. I,m having a hard time getting to the points. The flywheel is not coming off. Any suggestions?   kevin berglund New member Username: streetillegalsports Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 12:41 am:    This technique has never failed me. Try putting a large screwdriver or a prybar underneath the flywheel and put the nut back on that holds the flywheel just far enough that the nut is higher than the thread,(to avoid ruining the threads). Then hit the nut while pushing down on the pry bar or screwdriver. give it a couple raps then turn the flywheel 180 degreese or move prybar 180 degreese and hit the nut again with a metal hammer. repeat over and over progressively hammering and prying harder untill it pops up. Be careful where you pry though. Worked on my 5 horse gale and my other two outboards and my motorcycle. no pullers necessary and less marks than a puller leaves.   william g moore jr Advanced Member Username: william_m Post Number: 455 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 03:14 pm:    Kevin I believe your tube from the motor is the excess oil drain from the crankshaft. This was soon re-engineered to put that excess to the top bearing where it dripped back thru the motor to be caught up and burned. I've used your pry bar and hammer for years, but found a steel ball bearing duck taped to the end of the crank as a little extra insurance and to line up the key way slot with the pry bar and not to "pry " very hard on it worked best.   Stephen Ray Sluder New member Username: srsluder Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:03 am:    Kevin, thanks for advice on how to get flywheel off. I screwed the nut back on a little bit and all it took was two hits from my hammer and it was loose. On both motors. Now I need to find a service manual from 1948. I don't know the terminology of all the parts under there, but i know i need new parts. Thanks again Steve.   kevin berglund Member Username: streetillegalsports Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:47 pm:    So does it just drain right into the boat or water or should It run somewhere? It has a barb or nipple on the end like an automobile vacuum line. I like that ball bearing idea. I will have to try that next time I have a stuck flywheel, because I am usually afraid I will mess up the threads or nut. great idea   william g moore jr Advanced Member Username: william_m Post Number: 456 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 11:10 pm:    traditionally it just ran down the exhaust housing and into the water. Later (after complaints I imagine) they made it drain inside the exhaust chamber and out near the prop. Some big mercs worked the same way by having small holes drilled in their lower crank seals.   jim ames New member Username: jjwelding Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 02:11 pm:    I have a Sea King 5 HP model GG 18736 serial # 16x823393 I'm having trouble dropping the bottom to get at the waterpump impeller,,,, the 4 bolts come out but it will only come down 2 inches or so,,,,,,what is the trick to getting it off???   Wayne Rowlinson Advanced Member Username: winman99 Post Number: 225 Registered: 07-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 06:20 pm:    I don't have my model listing here, but if it's the same as mine, the motor has to be removed to get at the shift linkage. See this article: http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/13/index.cfm   jim ames New member Username: jjwelding Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2009 Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 07:09 pm:    Thank You Wayne   john rocks! Member Username: ilovetofish Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2009 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 09:17 am:    This is the best place to find out info on old motors. Click on link, then select your brand on the left side. http://www.discount-marine-parts.com http://www.discount-marine-parts.com   Dan Little New member Username: dan_little Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 02:32 pm:    What spark plugs are correct for Montgomery ward gg9003a 5hp.

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