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Walt Mclaren
New member
Username: boaterbooter
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 08:40 pm: | 
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Need explaination of what the two rectifiers do in the start circuit. Looks like they prevent back feeding.What trouble do they cause? |
El Pescador
Senior Member
Username: el_pescador
Post Number: 4976
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 09:16 pm: |
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Engine model? Year? |
Walt Mclaren
New member
Username: boaterbooter
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 08:47 am: |
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Thanks E P but I figuired it out. One rectifier is used for "start" and the other one is for "RUN".The rectifiers separate the common load from each function. |
Ricardo E.
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Username: ricardomarine_vp
Post Number: 651
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:19 am: |
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A rectifier can be diodes used to check D/C current flow direction.
What are you speaking of that would be used in a starter circuit?
Are you talking about part of the ignition sourced alternator field circuit?
If so, occasionally a bad circuit can cause back feed to an ignitioin system (gasoline Volvo Penta engine) causing the engine to continue running with the ignition switch OFF.
Just curious...... What year/model/engine/drive? |
Ricardo E.
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Username: ricardomarine_vp
Post Number: 652
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 11:46 am: |
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BTW, that usage of the word "Check" is as in; "one way" current flow, or as in "check valve". |
Walt Mclaren
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Username: boaterbooter
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 10:53 am: |
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The diodes are connected to a common load, in this case the electric fuel pump. On "start" 12v is routed thru Diode (1) directly to the fuel pump for starting and bypassing safety interlocks and Diode (2)blocks 12v from going back thru safety interlocks.AFTER starting 12v is supplied thru diode (2) thru the oil pressure sensor but blocks the 12v from going back to yellow/red 'crank" circuit which would keep starter cranking. |
Ricardo E.
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Username: ricardomarine_vp
Post Number: 656
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 11:16 am: |
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Just to be clear.... a "Diode" can be though of as an electical D/C current one-way valve. When A/C current is applied, they can "rectify" allowing only one direction of current flow.
I believe that you are speaking of relays or relay switches... not a diode.
During starter activation, current is supplied to the electric fuel pump to circumvent the open oil pressure switch that is part of the loop, so to speak..... of which is a safety requirement!
Once the engine is running, the starter motor "by-pass" circuit opens, and the oil pressure switch circuit closes allowing the fuel pump to have power and continue operating.
When/if the engine should stop running, the loss of oil pressure opens this circuit again, disrupting the fuel pump power supply!
Again, this is a safety requirement.
The yellow starter motor solenoid circuit should be in-active once the key switch is released and springs back to the run position.
Any unwanted power here would be a result of a bad solenoid or solenoid circuit, IMO.
Is there something that I am missing here?
Just what is it that you are in need of checking and/or replacing?
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Walt Mclaren
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Username: boaterbooter
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 09:10 am: |
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Absolutely nothing. In my second response I corrected myself and said that I had figuired out what the RECTIFIERS pupose was. They are not relays although they could be wired in that configuiration.The original problem was a "starter" problem that grew into a starter continuing to run after start and then a starter energized in the KEY position, "RUN".The owner brought the "Problem" to a round table after several marine mechanics had not fixed the problem. The electrical diagram that he brought showed two rectifiers connected to the fuel pump. One was powered by the Y/R crank wire and the other by the Purple ignition wire. A marine mechanic had told him that they alternate and that could be the trouble so I wanted to know what he was talking about since he didn't explain.
Your explaination is in agreement with what I said except they were rectifiers and not relays.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM, MarineEngine.com Message Board <info@marineengine.com> wrote: |
Walt Mclaren
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Username: boaterbooter
Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 09:20 am: |
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Somehow lost the wiring diagram trying to upload.oops to large, try this . |
Ricardo E.
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Username: ricardomarine_vp
Post Number: 660
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 09:39 am: |
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OK, now you tell us that this is EFI!  LOL
This may be a question for a Volvo Penta dealer. |
El Pescador
Senior Member
Username: el_pescador
Post Number: 4979
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 10:43 am: |
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We discussed something similar for a carburated engine not long ago. The mission of the diodes is the same whether the engine is carburated or EFI.
http://www.marineengine.com/discus/messages/12487/293923.shtml |
Ricardo E.
Advanced Member
Username: ricardomarine_vp
Post Number: 661
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:18 am: |
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Well, if 28 and 29 are what we are discussing, I find it hard to call these "rectifiers". Schematically, and from the task that they appear to be performing, they would appear to be "relays" in my book.
This may have something to do with language translation.
What say yee, Eduardo????
It's sort of the language useage of the words Motor vs Engine thing, I suppose! Don't get me started on that one! |
El Pescador
Senior Member
Username: el_pescador
Post Number: 4980
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 12:16 pm: |
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Look at the last drawing, not at the first one..... |
Walt Mclaren
Member
Username: boaterbooter
Post Number: 6
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 08:31 am: |
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Although they are represented as squares and can be mistakened as "relays" they are Rectifiers.(also not diodes). Note that there is no (-12v) connection to be a relay. |
