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Angus
Visitor
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 01:57 pm: | 
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I have two 225HP 4-strokes with about 100 hours on them. Recently, I began experiencing a problem with both engines. After running the outboard at idle RPM for about 1-2 minutes, I will get an audible alarm (one second beep on / on second off) and a visual "check engine" light illuminates. This problem is not limited to either engine, it happens with both (albeit at different times for each engine). If I keep the RPMs above 1000, the problem never occurs. I have taken my Racor (S3232) out of the line and connected fuel directly to the tank, and still experience the problem. I have also checked the oil and added a quart for good measure. Are there any other thoughts on a likely culprit? Because this is affecting both engines, I am guessing it is something to do with fuel or electricity, rather than a mechanical problem. The engines are only 1 year old, and the boat is new -- I don't think I have the "ethanol gumming up your engines" problem as I don't believe this boat has ever seen anything other than E10 gasoline. Ideas?
-angus |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 2173
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 09:15 pm: |
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oil change yet? |
Angus
Visitor
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 06:04 pm: |
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I could definitely do an oil change, but the oil levels are good and I added an additional quart just for good measure with no effect. I can certainly change out the oil, I just don't think it is the cause of the problem. |
Honda Dude
Member
Username: honda_dude
Post Number: 68
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:49 pm: |
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Most likely it is the oxygen sensor. Classic symptons for O2 sensor failure:
1. Engine alarms/check engine light comes on after engine has idled for a while. If you throttle up, alarms stays on but engines run great.
2. Turn off key, restart engines, no alarm, give it gas right away and maintain higher RPM's (doesn't matter if engine is in gear or not) alarm never comes on. Stop and idle for a few minutes, alarm comes on again.
It sounds like your engines are still under warranty. Take it to Honda dealer and they can run the engine with the HDS and it will tell them what fault code the engine has logged - but again, I'm 99% sure it's the O2 sensor. BTW, it won't hurt your engine to run contune to run them, but it sure is annoying.
Eric "Honda Dude" Peterson |
Daniel Schlueter
Visitor
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 07:20 pm: |
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the alarm you are getting is a code indicator alarm. that means that there is a code stored in the computer for your engine(s) find an HDS (honda tech have one) and it will get you the problem, |
Michael McQuade
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 11:20 pm: |
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I had the same problem on one of my 06 engines, took it to the dealer and they said I had no compression on one cylinder plus it had water, but the engine was running strong. It has 106 hours |
Eric Morton
New member
Username: fcms
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 08:45 pm: |
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Looks like i have an engine with this same problem. The engine runs at idle a few minutes then sounds an interment horn and ck engine light comes on.
How do i pull up the codes using the paperclip and or led test light?
Can i clear the codes once read? how?
I looked over the 225 today and where is the harness to jump and get the codes?
Thanks |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 3505
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 08:42 pm: |
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the O2 sensors i think has no stored codes
Honda Dude will know, ask him |
Michael McQuade
Visitor
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 06:28 pm: |
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Took mine to the dealer they said it had low compression on two cylinders and that they had water, they are replacing the motor. |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 3729
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 06:45 pm: |
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there was an update for the exhaust sucking water |
Michael McQuade
Visitor
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 08:35 pm: |
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Where is the update? |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 3885
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 09:46 pm: |
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ask any honda dealer |
el_gato
New member
Username: el_gato
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 07:56 am: |
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One of my engines ran similarly after an engine service. It turned out the tech had not seated one of the fuel filters properly when reinstalling. I could smell fuel when I pulled the cowl.
BTW, I have just found this website and am looking forward to all the good info.
el_gato |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 3888
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 12:17 pm: |
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welcome EL GATO |
mike crockett
New member
Username: searocket
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 10:34 am: |
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I am on my third honda 225 all with aprox. 100 hrs. Now it is back at the Honda dealer with the same symptoms as before, low rpm sensor and check engine lite. Low compression and blown pistons come next. Honda told me that my motor is mounted to close to the water line, but they mounted the motor last time on or about May 2007.This does not seem to be a problem on 200 Hondas,I have seen other Hondas that sit low in the water. this motor is on a 23 ft. deep water Wooldridge welded alumium boat. I am searching for more information any help would be greatly appreciated!!!,Searocket |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 4369
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 05:46 pm: |
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they had a problem with it sucking in water |
Ricksterpr
Member
Username: ricksterpr
Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 07:05 am: |
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One tech told me that when stopping or comming down from plane, make sure my tabs are on the full "bow down" position, and not to stop suddenly, so as to avoid following waters comming in through the exhaust. |
sumrsalt
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 09:06 pm: |
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Angus,
Sorry to hear of your problems. We just traded our 2002 Honda 225 on an Evinrude e-tec. Our Honda had about 150 hours on it. As you can tell from the number of hours over 5 years, our motor was out of service a majority of the time. We took a huge loss on the trade, but are back in the water! We had the same water ingestion problems, and the motor was never the same. We originally posted our saga on iboats.com. If you care to read about the problems with these motors since they came out in 2002 look up the thread from sumrsalt.
sumrsalt |
Ken
New member
Username: norsky
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 10:06 am: |
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I just started having the same problem on my 06 225. This is a real eye opener since I specifically bought the boat based on the dependability of the Honda motor. The motor has 122 hrs on it. The motor was serviced at 100 hrs with new oil, etc.
The owners manual pointed to possible issues with fuel injectors. I guess I will drag it down to the dealer for warranty repairs. I'm just glad I was not 30 miles out on the ocean when it happened. This does not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling!
Keep everyone posted on the issue. |
sumrsalt
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 03:37 pm: |
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All,
This problem is not going to go away!
Honda will string you along until your warranty runs out. Then you'll be in the same boat we were in (pun intended), with a huge monetary loss to get out from under the silver anchor.
For those of you who are still under warranty, I'd try as hard as possible to get your money back. The more I hear of these problems, the more it really pisses me off that we went along with the stories we were told by our dealer and Honda.
We stuck with our motor mainly because of our success with Honda cars, generators, and motorcycles. Don't be gullible like we were. |
Tom Hunter
Visitor
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 09:13 am: |
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I have a 2007 Honda 225, also the check engine light is going on only when idling. I also notice fuel in the water, so it must be leaking. I also noticed that the exaust has a lot of black residue on the outside of the cowling. Any ideas? |
JUST-IN-TIME
Senior Member
Username: justintime
Post Number: 4485
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:20 am: |
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fuel pump is leaking maybe or o2 sensor |
scott matter
New member
Username: cnmfisherman
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 10:29 pm: |
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Hello
i hace twins 225s and i know for a fact it is the o2 sensors
i was in the bahamas and one started beeping than the other.
thake it back to honda they do it under warranty. |
Mark P Miller
Member
Username: markprimo
Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 04:21 pm: |
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I agree with summrsalt. Checkout http://www.hondagrief.com |
Ken
New member
Username: norsky
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 12:07 pm: |
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I tried to respond to this post a while back and for some reason my response never got posted so I will try it again.
I took my boat over to the local Honda certified mechanic and they diagnosed the problem to be the O2 sensor just as most of these posts indicate. The sensor was replaced under warranty and everything is fine (for now).
The real problem is the design of the exhaust manifold that allows water to enter through the exhaust ports and damage the O2 sensor. My exhaust ports are well above the minimum water line but since my boat is used a lot in the ocean, the swells appear to be causing the problem. My mechanic mentioned that I should qualify for a replacement manifold that addresses this issue but the regional Honda service rep mandated that they do the less expensive repair under warranty and only replace the O2 sensor(address the symptom and not the problem). If water can infiltrate an outboard motor and cause problems with normal usage, there is a serious design issue.
I am concerned that Honda is shifting away from taking care of the customer properly and focusing on making money. I have always been a big fan of Honda (cars, generators, motorcycles, etc) but now I am wondering if my decision to use their outboard motor on my boat may have been a bad choice. |
