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‘86 Evinrude 70 HP - Guidance please

OldBoatOldNewbie

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Hello everyone,

As my User Name suggests, I’m old (60+) yet a newbie (1-) to boating. Loving it so far. If someone can provide me with a bit of guidance given the below synopsis, I’d greatly appreciate it.

Thinking I’d start small, last year I bought an old Cimarron boat with a ‘86 Evinrude 70 hp outboard. I believe it is the original engine that came with the boat, both ‘86. They are in great shape for their age and I’d like to get a few years out of them.

So, I was living in MA and this past summer and ran on fresh water lakes and everything was great. There are 2 portable 6.6 gal fuel tanks that came with the setup and still had full tanks so I used much of the fuel from those. I moved to TX and took the boat with me. First time I took it out in brackish water, I wanted to fill the tanks, so I did with unleaded fuel. Half way out I realized that it’s a 2-stroke engine and I hadn’t put an oil mixture in (old AND dumb). I turned around right away and headed back to the dock. As I got about 100 yards out I throttled down to half speed but in realizing I was still a way out I throttled back up. When I did, there was no additional power. So, I moved the throttle to neutral and back slowly, giving it more gas. It still moved, but at a speed that creates a large wake. That’s as fast as it would go. As I brought it into the dock, the no wake speed throttle setting worked fine, the idle worked fine but I didn’t want to attempt anything more. I just got it out of the water.

In the readings that I’m doing on multiple forums, I get everything from the engine is ruined to blow the carbon out to rebuild the carbs, etc …. Clearly something is not right, but it’s still running at idle and above so I’m thinking the engine is not ruined, just needs to be fixed.

Here’s what I’ve checked so far, and the results:

1. Removed the fuel filter. No build up of any sediment or discoloration at all.
2. Removed the spark plugs (3). They looked relatively clean of any misfire with slight oil on the screw threads.
3. Removed the black plastic plate over the carburetors. Everything looked very clean. No soot or smoke streaks.
4. Removed both fuel tanks. Cleaned gas and some minor debris from the tanks. They are clean and ready for new mixture.
5. Removed the fuel line and suction pump from tanks to engine and ordered new ones.
6. Removed propeller and checked for any fishing line, etc…. Nothing noted. Prop in decent shape along with lower unit.

Here’s what I’m thinking of doing, depending on responses to this post:

1. Buy BRP Engine Tuner and follow the instructions.
2. Buy 2-stroke outboard motor oil TC-W3 and mix according to directions. Should I add drops of oil to the fuel filter and spark plug access holes directly for any priming as the last fuel that passed didn’t have any?
3. Find non-ethanol gas and fill tanks with it.
4. Take it for a test spin.

Any guidance and/or advice would be greatly appreciated. I am hopeful the engine doesn’t need to be rebuilt and looking for honest opinions and recommendations.

Thanks so much for reading.

VR, John
 
Post the results of a compression test.----Some will argue , but it is always the first step in trouble shooting.
 
Results were not good. Tried to upload a few files, but I think the photos were too large.

From top to bottom of engine:

Cylinder 1: 89 psi
Cylinder 2: 0 psi
Cylinder 3: 90 psi

Thinking BRP Turner may not work ….

Anyway, suggestions??
 
There you go.-----Now you know what is going on.-----No surprise that it is # 2 that is bad.-----You have a blown head gasket if you are lucky.------But likely the engine needs an overhaul._----Difficult to find shops that will rebuild that for you.-----Doing it yourself is an option.
 
Sucks. Many thanks for your prompt responses. I have the repair manual for the engine and will look to see if I think I have the skill to tackle it. Thank you.
 
Pull the head first. It could be just a blown head gasket !! Let us know what you find.
 
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Appears I have a broken piston in the 2 cylinder. Hoping you can see these photos.<br>
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This is before and after of the head w/gasket when I pulled it and then cleaned it up a bit.<br>
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Here are closer shots of the cylinder.<br>
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And, this is a shot of Cylinder 1, which was smoother than a baby's bottom. (could only upload 6 photos, will add it in another post).<br>
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Couple of questions, please ...<br>
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1. Not having done this before, can the work be done in place or do I need to remove the motor? Maybe a stupid question seeing how the cylinder probably needs resurfacing, but need to ask.<br>
2. What skill level would you say is required to ensure if I do the work I'll be able to get the engine back to running condition?<br>
3. I have the manual, but do you know of other good videos out there that could be helpful for replacing the piston?<br>
4. Recommendations on best place to purchase the parts?<br>5. Cost I should expect to have the cylinder resurfaced?<br>6. Should I be able to do this, what else should I replace since I've got the thing apart?<br>
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That's it for now. Many thanks for any help.<br>
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John
 

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I posted additional information a few hours ago, but I don’t see that it made it’s way here. Is that because I added photos and it needs an admin or moderator to approve before it posts?
 
You are going to need to rebuild that motor. All 3 cylinders are bad probably not a head gasket. If you ran it without oil might as well take it apart now.
 
The number 2 cylinder piston was cracked and cylinder obviously needs resurfacing. Head gasket was in ‘like new’ condition. 1 and 3 were as smooth as a baby’s bottom. But, I’m thinking that if the engine is apart it’s best to just rebuild it all, right? Or, would I just replace the piston in cylinder 2? While it’s apart, what else should I be doing to it?

I’m not certain if this is above my skill level or not. I have the manual, but no place to put the engine so it has to remain on the boat. Also, don’t know what the weight is and don’t have a lift to remove the engine from the lower unit.

I’ve looked at a couple of companies out there where you mail them the unit and they rebuild it and return it to you. Have others done that successfully? My concern is that I take this thing apart and rebuild myself but it doesn’t run well after that. Again, a skill level thing.

Really appreciate the input.

Thanks, John
 
Well---Engine tuner can't fix that.-----One person ( 30 years old ) can lift that powerhead off with no mechanical help.----Replacing 1 piston is done all the time.-----Need to find out what caused this or it will go ---BHOOOMM--- again.-----Does tell tale come off the side of the block or top of the block ?----Tear it down and inspect everything.------Then repair as needed.-----Not hard to do.------It is a 56 cubic inch block and spline on driveshaft is not the same as 89 and newer models.
 
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Well---Engine tuner can't fix that.-----One person ( 30 years old ) can lift that powerhead off with no mechanical help.----Replacing 1 piston is done all the time.-----Need to find out what caused this or it will go ---BHOOOMM--- again.-----Does tell tale come off the side of the block or top of the block ?----Tear it down and inspect everything.------Then repair as needed.-----Not hard to do.------It is a 56 cubic inch block and spline on driveshaft is not the same as 89 and newer models.

Thanks. I’m assuming the cylinder walls need to be resurfaced?? I’m unable to find a machine shop with 200 miles of my location that still (or will) do that. Is there a way around that? Again, think newbie here …
 
It has to be bored and honed.-----No way around that.----And yes , new motors are cheap and popular.-----Rebuilders are disappearing quickly as not much call for the expertise these days.-----No young folks want to do actual hands on " work " these days.
 
Yes, indeed, and it’s across all industry sectors and very unfortunate for future generations.

So, at this point, I’m thinking there are 3 options (1) send the block to one of those rebuild shops [not sure if the cost is worth it] or (2) buy a new or newer engine or (3) buy a newer pwc package.

Appreciative for the honest conversation.
 
Well, I found someone who will resurface the cylinders, all 3, for $150 bucks. I thought that was a good price, so I'm taking the motor apart now and hoping I can post some photos and comments as I go so those experienced experts on here can provide guidance. More to follow .... hopefully soon.
 
Well, I found someone who will resurface the cylinders, all 3, for $150 bucks. I thought that was a good price, so I'm taking the motor apart now and hoping I can post some photos and comments as I go so those experienced experts on here can provide guidance. More to follow .... hopefully soon.
If he is just going to hone it why bother? That motor needs to be bored out on all 3 cylinders.
 
In order to restore " factory fit , clearance " it needs a rebore / honing and new O/S pistons and rings.

So, me saying resurfacing = you saying bore/hone. Your terms are the ones the machinist used and has clearly done this a bazillion times from the conversation. Sorry about the miscommunication. He told me when he’s finished he’ll give me the exact piston size to buy and knows where to purchase. Hopefully it works out. If nothing else it’ll be a good learning experience and those never end ….

Thanks for the concern .. you’ll probably have a bunch more as I get going on this thing … at least I hope so.
 
Sorry about what happened. Another idea, call Tim's Outboard in Hackensack MN at 218 682 2331. Talk to Callie Teresa Mike or Dan. Might have a beautiful used powerhead.
 
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