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    Default Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Can anyone point me in the right direction to getting a high torque gear reduction starter that is counterclockwise rotation for my 350 Q. I would love to know what other people have used in place of the presto light starter. Thanks Matt

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    I'd call ARCO marine and ask them...they are the big guys in the marine alternator & starter business...

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Let's make sure that we're on the same page here, and not confuse engine rotation with starter motor rotation.

    See if this image helps.

    Shown on the left side is a Std LH Rotation engine, whereas shown on the right side is a REV RH Rotation engine.
    (engine rotation is determined while viewing the flywheel end)

    The image shows both cylinder block mounted starter motors, and In-Board flywheel cover mounted starter motors.



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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Thanks Ricardo and Makomark! Ricardo, you are always a big help. I definitely need a CCW starter. I would love to find a HTGR starter but everywhere I have called says that they canít get one. I have only found the old style from Arco.

    Ricardo, last year you helped me out with the Firing order of my Q engine after I rebuilt it. You gave me some tips on timing it. Where could I find timing specs at on this engine. I have the dimple with the letter stamped R for direction on the flywheel. No deg. marks. I have an advanced timing light. Any help would be great on both of these. If I need to start a new thread on the timing problem so it is documented for others to find I will.

    Here is a pic of my boat!
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Does your starter motor mount to the engine block, or does it mount to the flywheel cover?
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    It mounts to the block. Itís a presto light starter.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    That should be easy to find in a HTGR/PMGR motor.
    You will need to know the size of your flywheel…… It will be either a 153 or a 168 tooth ring gear.
    Be sure to get the bolts with it!
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoMarine View Post
    That should be easy to find in a HTGR/PMGR motor.
    You will need to know the size of your flywheel…… It will be either a 153 or a 168 tooth ring gear.
    Be sure to get the bolts with it!
    I can not find one!?!? I spent the day calling several marine Parts suppliers and none had a HTGR starter that was CCW all that I found were CW. That is why I started this post with the question can someone point me on the right direction to find one. I keep coming up empty handed. Ricardo can you tell me where you think would be a place to get one? My flywheel is 153 tooth Thanks Matt T.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    To confirm: you do have a REV RH Rotation SBC and you need a cylinder block mounted starter motor for a 153 tooth ring gear ..... correct?

    Have you tried Arco or Seamanufacturing in Florida?
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoMarine View Post
    To confirm: you do have a REV RH Rotation SBC and you need a cylinder block mounted starter motor for a 153 tooth ring gear ..... correct?

    Have you tried Arco or Seamanufacturing in Florida?

    Yes I have a rev rotation /RH SBC 350 153 tooth ring gear. Starter is block mounted.

    I have not tried them. I will find there contact and give them a call tomorrow. Iíll let you know what I find.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    While looking for a Marine SBC Reverse RH Rotation engine starter motor, I stumbled onto this old MarineEngine dot com thread.
    (the OP turned grouchy when he did not receive the answer he was looking for)
    http://www.marineengine.com/boat-forum/showthread.php?386752-Engine-rotation-for-CC-1982-350-QL-amp-350Q

    By the way, if you read that thread, my "source" hyperlinks are no longer valid.

    Bottom line.... engine rotation is always determined by viewing the flywheel end..... not by viewing the front of the engine where we find the #1 cylinder!


    If I'm understanding ChrisCraft, the 350 QL is a Standard LH Rotation engine, and the 350 Q is a REV RH Rotation engine.
    (apparently 350 QL means LH rotation........ so I wonder why the REV RH rotation engine is not a 350 QR? Oh well! )


    Since your starter motor mounts to the engine block (not to the flywheel cover), and since your flywheel ring gear is 153 tooth, you will need the SBC starter motor with the straight across bolt pattern (not the staggered bolt pattern).

    Since your 350Q is REV RH Rotation, you will need what the industry refers to as a CCW starter motor.


    I must admit, I am having trouble finding a CCW rotation starter motor for the 153 tooth ring gear in a cylinder block mount style.
    I am seeing the CW rotation In-Board style starter motors.

    So I have another question...... Does your flywheel cover offer a port for an In-Board style starter motor?
    I ask because this style starter motor is more available in the CW rotation (REV RH Rotation engine).


    By the way, getting away from that old Arco or Prestolite
    non-gear reduction Bendix drive style starter motor is a great move.
    You will like how well the HTGR/PMGR motors work.
    Faster cranking speed, and less AMPs to operate it.



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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    No I do not have any other spot to put a starter on the Flywheel cover. I wish I did. Thanks so much Ricardo for all your help. Matt T.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Lancers with Volvo stern drives use standard rotation engines if they drive the prop from the flywheel end, and usually have block mounted starters. They have reverse rotation engines if they drive the prop from the front of the engine, i.e. the engine is mounted backwards.

    However, Lancers with Volvo drives almost always use Hollman Moody style extended intermediate housings and can use engines with EITHER block mounted starters (starter gets wet when bilge floods) or flywheel cover mounted starters ( starter on top pointing aft...stays dry)
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Bob brings up some interesting points.

    Which drive system?
    Is the engine mounted with flywheel facing forward, or is it a conventional installation?


    If Volvo Penta stern drive (even if labeled Eaton or other), the transmission (upper gear unit) requires that it be driven CCW when viewed from behind the boat.
    If the transmission is driven from the flywheel's drive coupler, the engine must be a Std LH Rotation engine.
    If the transmission is driven from the front of the crankshaft (via Holman Moody etc adapter), the engine must be a REV RH Rotation engine.


    A few good photos would be very helpful.





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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Here is an example of what Chris Craft did for a flywheel facing forward installation.
    This one is apparently for a straight shaft drive.
    The reason for the flywheel facing forward was to lower the center of the prop shaft (i.e., no flywheel in this area).










    They also did an AQ series volvo penta stern drive installation.
    Shown here is the front of the SBC engine with the use of a Borg Warner/Volvo Penta PDS adapter housing.
    In this scenario, the engine would be a REV RH Rotation engine.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Most Lancers used the same adapter for a normal flywheel aft install. They did the flywheel FWD install to lower the engine height (and the engine box)... One of the reasons I like this setup is that I can use any engine with a Borg Warner bolt circle and not just "Volvo" engines...and the weight of engine is a few inches more forward of the transom. Also, full FWC engines readily available outside the Volvo world.
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Thank you all for the pics and advice. I have tried all day yesterday to post pictures of the boat. i have two pictures that i have uploaded in the past and it will not load anymore for me. I am still trying to figure it out because I would like for you to see what Im working with.
    Thanks Matt T.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Temple2426 View Post
    Thank you all for the pics and advice. I have tried all day yesterday to post pictures of the boat. i have two pictures that i have uploaded in the past and it will not load anymore for me. I am still trying to figure it out because I would like for you to see what Im working with.
    Thanks Matt T.
    The size of uploads is limited on this forum, Resize your pix... I use "PAINT" to do that.
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Here are some pics to see what I have. I tried to turn the pics so that they are not on their side but for what ever reason it didn't work Flywheel is facing forward. I do have the AQ series adapter. I do not have any pics of that. I did call Arco on my search for a HTGR Starter CCW and they said that they would have to call me back. He did not see one right off. the guy on the phone was super nice and was going to do some research.

    Off topic but does anyone know what type of carburetor would have been on my engine? I have a Quadrajet 4 barrel #7040247. Where there different types that were put on over the years.
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    .......
    Quote Originally Posted by Temple2426 View Post
    Here are some pics to see what I have. I tried to turn the pics so that they are not on their side but for what ever reason it didn't work Flywheel is facing forward. I do have the AQ series adapter. I do not have any pics of that.
    I'd like to have a few private words with the engineers that designed this engine package!

    I did call Arco on my search for a HTGR Starter CCW and they said that they would have to call me back. He did not see one right off. the guy on the phone was super nice and was going to do some research.
    Good.
    Stay on top of it.... they will come up with the correct starter motor for you.
    Be sure to mention what size flywheel and that it mounts to the cylinder block.


    Off topic but does anyone know what type of carburetor would have been on my engine? I have a Quadrajet 4 barrel #7040247. Where there different types that were put on over the years.
    I can't quite see from the pictures, but the intake appears to be a "spread bore", of which means that it would have been a Q-jet.
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    Ricardo, I agree I too would like to have a few "words" with them also.

    This is my first endeavor into the boat world. I love this boat! My kids 14yrs, 10yrs and 7yrs old fight about who will get the boat when I'm gone. It's part of the family. My wife says I kiss it goodnight.LOL!

    I would like to say to all of you guys that replied to this forum THANKS! I bought this boat for $800 because no one in the area I live in in Mississippi, not in our marinas or anywhere that I could find could make this thing run right. But because of you guys I have been able to make this boat a pice of the family. I wish I could meet each one of you for coffee and personally thank you.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Have you found a HTGR/PMGR starter motor for a REV RH Rotation SBC?
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    looks like the 19 ft Lancer ???
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoMarine View Post
    Have you found a HTGR/PMGR starter motor for a REV RH Rotation SBC?

    No not yet. Arco has not called me back. I called them three days ago. The guy on the other end found every other starter but could not find a HTGR CCW starter. He said he was going to do some research. Iíll post about it as soon as I find one. They were my last stop. Iíve called so many people and all day they canít get one CCW. Thanks Matt T.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by sandkicker View Post
    looks like the 19 ft Lancer ???

    That is correct 19í Lancer. Originally a 307 from what I can tell. Re-powered with a 350.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    I'll ask again........ have you found a HTGR/PMGR starter motor for a REV RH Rotation SBC?
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Temple2426 View Post
    That is correct 19’ Lancer. Originally a 307 from what I can tell. Re-powered with a 350.
    I'll bet that moves along quite nicely with a 350.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoMarine View Post
    I'll ask again........ have you found a HTGR/PMGR starter motor for a REV RH Rotation SBC?
    No Arco never called back. I have been tied up with something else and have not called them back. I will call today and ask. I donít have anyone else to call after them. I have called about half a dozen places. Thanks Matt T.

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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Temple2426 View Post
    No Arco never called back. I have been tied up with something else and have not called them back. I will call today and ask. I don’t have anyone else to call after them. I have called about half a dozen places. Thanks Matt T.
    What a bummer.
    I would think that they would see the importance of a call-back.


    FYI...... a Standard engine mounted CW starter motor can be made into a CCW starter motor by reversing the armature field wires, and by a change to the pinion drive gear relief cuts and the sprag clutch free-wheel direction.

    Perhaps ask if they are capable of doing this.
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    Default Re: Chris Craft lancer 350 Q starter problems

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoMarine View Post
    What a bummer.
    I would think that they would see the importance of a call-back.


    FYI...... a Standard engine mounted CW starter motor can be made into a CCW starter motor by reversing the armature field wires, and by a change to the pinion drive gear relief cuts and the sprag clutch free-wheel direction.

    Perhaps ask if they are capable of doing this.

    Thanks Ricardo! I had planned on calling back but my job has been busy the past week. Iíll post back here as soon as I find that starter. Thanks Matt T

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