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clint3240

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"the switch will not move the

"the switch will not move the motor but if i jump out the solioide it will, is there anything else that could need fixing besides the switch"
 
"its an 83 boat but bot sure o

"its an 83 boat but bot sure on how old the engine is, i think its about 4 years old not sure, is there a way to tell?"
 
"Serial number will tell the y

"Serial number will tell the year.

There is a 90 amp fuse mounted right on the pump bracket. Have you checked it out?

Your manual should have a wiring diagram of the trim circuit that you could use to troubleshoot the wiring. If not, email me offline and I will send you a typical trim wiring diagram.

Rod"
 
"i do not have a manual for it

"i do not have a manual for it, i can jump the solinoid out and it will work up and down, i will check for a fuse tomorrow when i get out of work and get back to you, i will pull the switch also, if i want to motor to go down i should have continuity at red and green correct? i have just bought this boat 2 days ago"
 
"Up should be continuity betwe

"Up should be continuity between red/pur and blu/wht.
Down should be continuity between red/pur and grn/wht.
There should be a 20 amp inline fuse in the red/pur wire right at the pump bracket that protects the light wiring to the switch. If its blown the switches won't work. I would check that first. If its blown you may have a wiring issue.

The main 110 amp fuse protects only the heavy solenoid and pump wiring, since the whole thing is directly wired to your battery. I doubt its this fuse, since you say your pump works if you jumper the solenoids.

Rod"
 
"Clint:

This should help.


"Clint:

This should help.

How the trim/tilt works

Before you tear anything apart or replace wiring and switches, test it out; first by visual inspection by pulling back and forth on the wires while operating the switches and then test with a meter. At the commander switches, the red wire will always have 12 volts. The green wire gets 12 volts when the trim toggle is held down. The blue wire gets 12 volts only when the toggle is held up or the trailer switch is pushed in. The purple wire is part of the limit switch circuit.

If the switch voltages are as they are supposed to be then go to the trim/tilt pump assy. and make sure the purple wire connector (single wire) and the blue wire connector with two blue wires on one side of the connection are not corroded or loose. These are the trim position and limit switch wires. Pull them apart and inspect; they should be clean and tight; reconnect them. If necessary, trace the wires to the front of the engine near the slave solenoid. One wire is grounded near there and the other is connected to a terminal. If you don't get a voltage reading at the terminal junction, apply 12 VDC to see if the trim gauge moves. If it does, check for voltage back at the trim pump connections. If no voltage there, apply 12 VDC there to check gauge movement.

Next check the three wire connector (RED, BLUE & GREEN) at the pump assy. This plug can vibrate loose and cause your problem. Pull it off and see if the pins are clean and not corroded; reconnect it.

The RED wire in the plug sends 12 volts from the pump assy. to the toggle up/down and trailer up switches. The BLUE & GREEN wires bring 12 volts from the toggle trim/tilt and trailer switches to the two solenoids on the pump assy.

The GREEN wire goes to the DOWN solenoid while the BLUE wire goes to the UP solenoid.

Did you check the switches with an ohmmeter? The trim/tilt switch is a 2-way switch and will show continuity only when it is toggled in each direction between two of the wires.

Up toggle connects the RED wire to the BLUE wire. Down toggle connects the RED wire to the GREEN wire. The TRAILER UP switch also connects the RED wire to the BLUE wire.

The OD trim limit switch will only send voltage to the trim/tilt switch in the upward toggle position if the OD limit switch is below the adjusted trim limit that keeps the OD being out of the water.

To test the limit switch circuit, lower the OD to the down position and slowly raise it with the trim toggle up until it stops. Then measure the distance between the trim cylinder attaching bolts. If the distance is approx. 22 +/- 1/4 inches, then the trim limit switch is adjusted properly and the commander trim toggle switch is working in the up/down mode.

Go to the trim/tilt pump assy. and make sure the purple wire connector (single wire) and the blue wire connector two blue wires on one side of the connection are not corroded or loose. Pull them apart; they should be clean and tight; reconnect them.
Next check the three (RED, BLUE & GREEN) wire connector at the pump assy. The RED wire in the plug sends 12 volts from the pump assy. to the toggle up/down and trailer up switches. This plug can vibrate loose and cause your problem. Pull it off and see if the pins are clean and not corroded; reconnect it.

The BLUE & GREEN wires bring 12 volts from the switches to the two solenoids on the pump assy. The GREEN wire goes to the DOWN solenoid while the BLUE wire goes to the UP solenoid.

Disconnect the trim/tilt assy. wires from the battery and then check each of the nuts and studs on the solenoids for clean and tight fittings. Each solenoid has three wires and the buss bar connected to it. The bases of them have a black ground wire and a small blue wire to one and a small green wire to the other.

On top of each solenoid, the large BLUE wire from the pump motor attaches to a large copper stud with the solenoid that has the small blue wire at the base while the large GREEN wire from the pump motor attaches to a large copper stud with the solenoid that has the small green wire at the base.

The other copper solenoid studs are connected together with a copper buss bar. One of the two studs will also have a funny looking 110 amp fuse attached to the bar. The large RED wire from the battery connects to the 110 amp fuse. This large red wire is the power for this buss bar. A small RED wire attached to the bar stud sends 12 volts to the switches which in turn sends the 12 volts to the solenoids which turns on the pump motor.

Important: if the studs on the either solenoid are dark and not like a clean penny, especially the BLUE wired solenoid, this solenoid is failing due to age and/or a loose bottom copper stud nut. The dark color comes from heat generated inside of the solenoid by the contactor because it is arcing like welding similar to points wearing out. Change the solenoid.

Cleaning Trim Limit Switch & Trim Position Sender

For the trim/tilt problem you are experiencing, if the wires from the limit switch (port side) and trim position sender (starboard side) are in good condition, they (Switch or sender) can be disassembled to clean out the old hardened grease. SCRIBE the sides of each one and the OD for a reference mark before removal. Clean out the old grease and pump fresh Mercruiser 2-4-C grease thru the zerk fittings before reinstallation. Clean the small brass contact points with solvent and a pencil eraser until shiny; repack w/ 2-4-C grease and reinstall by aligning reference marks."
 
"well there was a 35 amp fuse

"well there was a 35 amp fuse in found inline, just touched the wire and it fell out, repaird and now it works better, i have to hit the button a few times to get it to work though, i also found a resevoir behind the engine that is empty, it said someing about quicksilver gear flid or something like that, whats that for? and what oil do i put in"
 
"Yikes!

That is the oil res


"Yikes!

That is the oil reservoir for your drive leg lube and it should always be full up to the full mark.
You should use Merc High Performance gear lube. Its kind of a green-blue color.
The reservoir suggests that the drive is a Gen II Alpha; 1991 or newer. The fact that the fluid level is down suggests that you may have a lube oil leak. Watch for any fluids leaks.

Before topping up the reservoir you should remove the upper vent screw on the drive leg. Port side, near the top. Check that fluid runs out the hole.
If not, put some gear lube in thru the bottom fill hole until it flows out the vent hole. Front port side, lower part of the lower gear case. You will need a pump to do this right. Costs about 10 bucks at a dealer.

If the lube oil looks dark or smells burnt you should drain it and put in new. It will take a little less than 2 quarts to refill. Drive oil should be changed annually or every 50 hours. Whenever changing engine oil and filter is a good time to change the drive oil.

You should really get yourself a service manual. You are flying blind without it.

Rod"
 
"hey rod, dont think iv been u

"hey rod, dont think iv been using the boat, its been sitting for a year or more when i bought it. i will fill that up and check for leaks. the most iv done is warm up the engine. i just registerd it today. i am going to be changing the fuel filter, oil and filter, i looked at it quick but i cant find the oil filter...ill have to remove the 2 boards on either side of the engine to find it. probably going to be impossible to get it...iv got a electric pump to take the oil out of my engine, could i use this to put oil in the bottom fill hole?"
 
"The filter is down low on the

"The filter is down low on the port side just in front of the exhaust Y pipe.
Changing the filter is usually messy. Use a drain pan under the filter in the bilge.

YOu can use the pump to change the engine oil for sure.
Works best if you warm it up first.
Better way is a quick drain hose that fits into the oilpan drain plug. You pull it out thru the bilge drain hole when draining the oil.

You could try the pump to fill the drive. It will take some adapting to fit the fill hole, which is quite small. A hand pump intended for the job would likley work better.

Rod"
 
"yeah i saw the pump when i wa

"yeah i saw the pump when i was buying the gear fluid so i picked it up, im trying to figure out where the top and bottom plugs are now."
 
"No, they are flat, about 1/2&

"No, they are flat, about 1/2" diam, with a slot for a big flat blade screwdriver.
Top one is marked "oil vent" coincidentally enough. Directly above the big white "C" in "MerCruiser" on the side decal, port side.

The little nipples sound like grease zirks for your swivels and gimbal bearing. These are on the transom assembly close to the transom of your boat, right?

Rod"
 
"ya i figured they were grease

"ya i figured they were grease nuts, i found the first vent you talking about but not the bottom one,

iv been trying to find the grease bottle online but all i can find are the kits, damn thing was so brittle it broke when i took it off the mount, its a cylinder shape and attached by a spring if you know where i can get just that, the kits are about $151"
 
Bottom fill/drain screw is on

Bottom fill/drain screw is on lower port side of the torpedo shaped gear housing on the front curvature.
 
Clint;
Don't know where y


Clint;
Don't know where you would buy just the bottle.
You may find a dealer with it or a kit in stock for a decent price. Maybe ebay.

Rod
 
"Bert:

Yes, I use 2-4-C lub


"Bert:

Yes, I use 2-4-C lube since it's a light grease and pump it thru the zerk fitting.

Clint & Rod et al:

Before I put a remote filter on the engine I would loosen the oil filter and hold a small coffe can under it and let it drop into the can for removal; saves a mess cleanup."
 
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